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    When my sister lived in her old flat (in the uk so it was different) the block next to her was turned into a homeless block and a whole lot of people moved there, not all were criminals but the majority of them were drug users...rapidly the area started to go "downhill" houses were broken into even people were being mugged on the street..she had a young kid there and was scared for him which i can understand but no help was offered to her..the best thing she could do was move out of there by taking a house from the council that no-one else wanted...she did this and landed lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunray's wench View Post
    If there was a proposed halfway house or bail hostel planned for your street, would you be protesting and signing petitions to get it moved somewhere else (and if so, where?) or would you be OK with it?
    On our street? No...

    Somewhere near transportation, as many do not have a vehicle when first out, or had problems that may not be able to have a drivers license for a while.
    Even metro bus does not run where we are at, and taxi would be expensive, plus in the US unless inside the a city, most need a car, or travel to get to jobs. As well as rehabs or mental facility's.
    Most if on parole or probation, the offices are located in the inner city, not suburbs.
    Inner City also offers more opportunity to blend in w/o as much stigma as the outside city limits do. Most community or neighborhoods have or live there for their children to be safe, and playgrounds and schools near. Just not appropriate or wise to place in this atmosphere for anyone involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunray's wench View Post
    I think a lot of people do think that a halfway house or bail hostel is the same as a rehab centre though. They assume that the people there are all druggies or alcoholics, or sex offenders. It doesn't seem to enter their heads that halfway houses are more likely to be used by those who did not commit those types of crimes. But then would it be "safer" to live down the street from a burgler, or a drug addict? Why do we draw these strange lines around which crimes are perceived as dangerous, when danger is as relative as the individual committing or being the victim of the crime?

    Perhaps there should be a whole new breed of residential care centres to cater for released inmates? But at what point after a sentence has finished or parole has been granted do you remove the bars at the windows? Perhaps drug addicts should be treated in hospitals instead of in the community? Or not treated at all? I don't know, just mulling things over.
    At what point do you remove the bars at the windows? When the individual is ready which does not happen the day released if just came out of prison.

    A drug addict if insurance coverage which actually many do, are in hospitals and those who do not have coverage are or can go to state facilitys. Some places they can come and go as please, back by certain time at night, and when return a urine test is run first.
    Others more intense are locked in, and go thru levels to reach independence.

    A halfway house for ex inmates, is a rehab for them to become more independent, as well as find jobs, etc at the pace they as an individual needs. Some it seems no matter what support out there, just cannot change old thinking and end up back inside, or back on drugs or whatever. Just hard wired I guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by peanut2 View Post
    On our street? No...

    Somewhere near transportation, as many do not have a vehicle when first out, or had problems that may not be able to have a drivers license for a while.
    Even metro bus does not run where we are at, and taxi would be expensive, plus in the US unless inside the a city, most need a car, or travel to get to jobs. As well as rehabs or mental facility's.
    Most if on parole or probation, the offices are located in the inner city, not suburbs.
    Inner City also offers more opportunity to blend in w/o as much stigma as the outside city limits do. Most community or neighborhoods have or live there for their children to be safe, and playgrounds and schools near. Just not appropriate or wise to place in this atmosphere for anyone involved.
    I think the question was aimed at would you personally oppose. Not to go into it all from a practical standpoint. I'm pretty sure she meant all other things being equal would you have a problem with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunray's wench View Post
    If there was a proposed halfway house or bail hostel planned for your street, would you be protesting and signing petitions to get it moved somewhere else (and if so, where?) or would you be OK with it?
    OK, here is my thought on this; I would be fine with a halfway house on my street. The reasoning is simple, and that is the more resources inmates have upon leaving prison, the less likely they are to to repeat the actions that caused them to get locked up in the first place. As a condition of parole (for many), the inmate must have an approved place to parole to, if family is not available, a halfway house is the only other option. My "nephew", that I had mentioned in a previous post, had an awful time finding a place to go on release. His family would not take him in, and the local halfway houses were full, so he was denied release until a spot at one opened. 5 long months he waited for an opening. Stop and think what that would do to you emotionally, if you were paroled by the state, and then told you must remain locked up indefinitely, until suitable placement can be found. I do not know about other states, but that is how California handled it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM View Post
    OK, here is my thought on this; I would be fine with a halfway house on my street. The reasoning is simple, and that is the more resources inmates have upon leaving prison, the less likely they are to to repeat the actions that caused them to get locked up in the first place. As a condition of parole (for many), the inmate must have an approved place to parole to, if family is not available, a halfway house is the only other option. My "nephew", that I had mentioned in a previous post, had an awful time finding a place to go on release. His family would not take him in, and the local halfway houses were full, so he was denied release until a spot at one opened. 5 long months he waited for an opening. Stop and think what that would do to you emotionally, if you were paroled by the state, and then told you must remain locked up indefinitely, until suitable placement can be found. I do not know about other states, but that is how California handled it.
    My thoughts too, for the most part.

    Peanut and others, why keep going on about how these places might be near playgrounds, schools etc? Are you saying that no one on parole should go near a playground - what if they have children of their own and were in prison for any other crime except child abuse? If my husband came home tomorrow on parole, I'd hope you wouldn't want to deny him taking our grandson to the park.





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    Quote Originally Posted by sunray's wench View Post
    My thoughts too, for the most part.

    Peanut and others, why keep going on about how these places might be near playgrounds, schools etc? Are you saying that no one on parole should go near a playground - what if they have children of their own and were in prison for any other crime except child abuse? If my husband came home tomorrow on parole, I'd hope you wouldn't want to deny him taking our grandson to the park.
    No no one is saying that no one on parole should go near a playground(although) many may have the restrictions of no where within so many feet of a school,playgorund etc.

    if your hubby left the halfway house and goes to a park with your grandson, if allowed by law, sure why not? An individual if free otherwise to go wherever...

    As far as these places halfway etc housing has a wide span of who stays there, (Groups by the numbers) goes in and out of, each individual with different issues. Again this group setting should be no where near schools, playgrounds etc...

    Why would they even want to be in the first place???
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    People don't want these places in affluent areas, because it will bring property prices down.

    People don't want these places near schools or playgrounds - which are more likely to be found in lower-income areas.

    People don't want these places in rural areas, because there is no transport (even though the inmates themselves may have originally come from the rural areas and may be better off being close to their families).

    People don't want these places in already crime/drug-heavy areas because it will (supposedly) increase this activity/draw others in.

    So where should parole hostels or halfway houses be? Or are we all saying, in a roundabout way, that we just don't want these places? Or we do, but not anywhere near where we live?





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    Quote Originally Posted by sunray's wench View Post
    People don't want these places in affluent areas, because it will bring property prices down.

    People don't want these places near schools or playgrounds - which are more likely to be found in lower-income areas.

    People don't want these places in rural areas, because there is no transport (even though the inmates themselves may have originally come from the rural areas and may be better off being close to their families).

    People don't want these places in already crime/drug-heavy areas because it will (supposedly) increase this activity/draw others in.

    So where should parole hostels or halfway houses be? Or are we all saying, in a roundabout way, that we just don't want these places? Or we do, but not anywhere near where we live?
    It's a mixed up, messed up situation, in that no matter where one is placed, there will be a group of people offended by it. Unfortunately in this day and age people are more worried about offending people, then in doing what is right. Being PC has gone so far overboard it is near impossible to accomplish anything. I say build the halfway houses where they are needed; close to jobs and people, where they can re-enter society, and feel like a part of it. Think about it, if they get out, and do not feel like society has made them belong, then they will be more apt to do something to go back to where they do fit in and feel comfortable.
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    Sunray~it's definitely a thought provoking thread! But I still feel strongly that these types of placed don't belong in "middle class" residential areas. As I said before I'm not interested in taking a hit on my property value because of halfway houses. From an economic standpoint, putting them in lower income neighborhoods makes sense because it's not going to drive down the property value to the extent it will in middle class neighborhoods. Like it or not, the crime rates coming out of people in half way houses is far greater than that coming out of "middle class" homes. So, why "redistribute" the crime into middle class neighborhoods? There will ALWAYS be high crime areas and they will always be associated with lower income neighborhoods. That's a fact of life. There's no changing that. So, I think the best place to put half way houses is in areas that will have the least amount of affect on the city's/town's economic demopgraphic. The only thing accomplished by putting half way houses in middle class neighborhoods is risking the sustained financial viability of that area or town.
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