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Old 06-26-2008, 12:49 AM
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CHICAGO - Democrat Barack Obama said Wednesday he disagrees with the Supreme Court's decision outlawing executions of people who rape children, a crime he said states have the right to consider for capital punishment.

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"I have said repeatedly that I think that the death penalty should be applied in very narrow circumstances for the most egregious of crimes," Obama said at a news conference. "I think that the rape of a small child, 6 or 8 years old, is a heinous crime and if a state makes a decision that under narrow, limited, well-defined circumstances the death penalty is at least potentially applicable, that that does not violate our Constitution."

The court's 5-4 decision Wednesday struck down a Louisiana law that allows capital punishment for people convicted of raping children under 12, saying it violates the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment.

The ruling spares the only people in the U.S. under sentence of death for that crime — two Louisiana men convicted of raping girls 5 and 8. It also invalidates laws on the books in five other states that allowed executions for child rape that does not result in the death of the victim.

Obama, the likely Democratic presidential nominee, said that had the court "said we want to constrain the abilities of states to do this to make sure that it's done in a careful and appropriate way, that would have been one thing. But it basically had a blanket prohibition and I disagree with that decision."

Obama has two daughters, ages 7 and 9.

He has long supported the death penalty while criticizing the way it is sometimes applied.

As an Illinois legislator, he helped rewrite the state's death penalty system to guard against innocent people being sentenced to die. The new safeguards included requiring police to videotape interrogations and giving the state Supreme Court more power to overturn unjust decisions.

He also opposed legislation making it easier to impose the death penalty for murders committed as part of gang activity. Obama argued the language was too vague and could be abused by authorities.

But Obama has never rejected the death penalty entirely. He supported death sentences for killing volunteers in community policing programs and for particularly cruel murders of elderly people.

"While the evidence tells me that the death penalty does little to deter crime, I believe there are some crimes — mass murder, the rape and murder of a child — so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment," he wrote in his book "The Audacity of Hope."

In 1988, a question about rape and capital punishment tripped up Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis.

Dukakis was asked during a nationally televised debate with Republican George H. W. Bush whether he'd still oppose the death penalty if his wife were raped and murdered.

His unemotional, dispassionate answer was ridiculed, and gave Republicans more material to paint him as an emotionless liberal.

At the news conference Wednesday, Obama answered questions on a number of topics, including a compromise eavesdropping bill the Senate was preparing to consider. He said he supports the bill, which would establish new rules to govern when the National Security Agency, CIA, FBI or others can tap American phone and computer lines.

The bill also effectively gives legal immunity to telecommunications companies that helped the government eavesdrop on calls and e-mails for years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, without the approval of a special, secret court.

Obama, who opposed an earlier version of the bill, said he supports the compromise partly because it would prohibit presidents from superseding surveillance rules in the future.
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Confused here with him and his campaigns.
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I have tried to keep up with this guy and his policies, but sometimes it is hard to know fact from fiction.
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I heard that both presidency candidates favor DP. For me itīs incomprehensible how a country which defines itself about the progress can deal with methods of the middle ages.
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Confused here with him and his campaigns.
Here too wolfie. I dont understand him at all at times.

I was watching this on the TV this morning and thought, omg, u __________ LOL
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Yeah but what will McCain's position on this issue be? I Wouldnt throw the baby out with the bath water just yet....
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Obama made a safe bet he say he supports the death penalty yet never have to deal with the DP for child molesters and no one wants to support child molester so it was a easy call. . A presidential candidate in the US cannot win if they come out and say they are against the death penalty .
McCain has always been in favor of it and would love to expand it and have more wars while he at it .
And of course the Republicans are going to use the specter of terrorism every time they can . The Bill giving telecommunications companies immunity is unpopular so if the Democrats win it probably will get changed or found unconstitutional so Obama can say what he wants .He knows the Republicans are going to be brutal in the upcoming election. Unless the economy makes a miraculous turn around they are doomed in the end people vote their wallets
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Right ASE, Im with you on that. McCain would probably just assume establish drive through style executions. We dont really need trials at all do we?? lol. I DONT want him in office. Im still not prepared to lose all hope for Obama just yet. We've been down this road before and I dont want eight more years of it. I really dont...
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Asha I really really do not want even 4 more years of what we have now . Yeah McCain would probably have drive thru executions . In the day of guilty until proven guilty . If its of and hope With gas prices rising almost daily and the economy really tanking now the Republicans are facing a Up hill battle and Do not think for a moment W is gong to play a huge though un welcome by republicans role I can already see the Morphed images of McCain into W on TV
In NH a ponce republican stronghold they do not have a chance and in other once solidly republican states they are losing by wide margins . If by chance McCain did get elected he would have to deal with a solid Democratic congress and his polices of more of the same would ensure his defeat in 5 years .
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