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09-06-2008, 12:18 PM
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My Mood: | | Two Texas Excution this Week Maybe This was in Grits For Breakfast today Grits for Breakfast: Two Texecutions scheduled next week, but will either one go through?
Hood should get a new trail . Hoods Innocence or Guilt is not the issue it is much more than Hood.This is about if TX has a fair and ethical Justice system by all appearances . The CCA seems to have something to hide as they say why else affirm his conviction and go ahead with a execution if there are very serious questions . . i sure would not want toi be in that court house when Judge and Prosecutor are having a affair There is not any way it was a fair or impartial trial . I am making a very educated guess that TX does not want to open this can of worms because it opens the floodgates to look into EVERY Case these two tried or heard in any capacity . They will have been shown to be unethical and they tired thousands of cases in TX many of those they tired are still in TDCJ. TX does not want to open the floodgates to very legit claims of not having a fair trail . It could well open up a lot of questions about TX justice is this what TX fears ?
Gregory Wright should have the DNA examine what is it that TX fears they got it wrong So What . Go get they right guy who apparently has admitted to the killing is on TX DR So he is not hard to locate . How hard is that . or does TX want to execute for the sake of executing? if they guy did not do he did not do what is the big deal TX? Or is it that t the sate simply does not want ot admit is is wrong and has been many times so they will kill to make them right? That is very convoluted logic and thinking . Also read a few Kill any ways comets left .
What should happen to those who let innocent people get executed even when they know they are Innocent and did things to get them executed ?
Should they be executed if so the DP would never again be sought .
Then TX seems to be on a roll with hurting it's reputation and making a mockery out of Justice lately and doing it too it self !
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09-06-2008, 01:13 PM
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My Mood: | | Re: Two Texas Excution this Week Maybe Texas Moratorium Network
Urge Gov. Perry to stop the execution of Charles Dean Hood on September 10th!
By the way, Greg Wright has got a stay! | 
09-07-2008, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ASE What should happen to those who let innocent people get executed even when they know they are Innocent and did things to get them executed ?
Should they be executed if so the DP would never again be sought . | My answer: Yes.
Even i'm pro death penalty and actually on more cases then the US is doing, I'm strict against it if the case is not water proof, means the smallest open question or doubt will make it immediately a prison case. So you can roll the case new up which is a little hard with an dead.
So if there is any doubt a prosecutor and judge shouldn't seek for the death penalty. If there is new evidence or doubts are coming up a new case should be opened immediately. If not that's (attempted) murder! If that person is finally executed it is murder and should be handled the correct way. | 
09-08-2008, 11:06 AM
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My Mood: | | Re: Two Texas Excution this Week Maybe To be honest, i canīt agree with you Alex. Surely, itīs good possible that you have the both terrible child murder cases in the city of Leipzig in your head when youīre pro DP. These both and other cases are terrible without a doubt. But our society has to be better than the offender. Otherwise you could chop off a thiefīs hand or amputate oneīs tongue only because of his attitude against our society. In a worst case scenario you could kill someone only because of his race, skin colour or belief. Remember that we as germans are experienced in such wrong developments. I see it as a good sign that our society is strong enough to allow such offenders a minimum of human rights, for example the right to live. Compare that our neighbours in the european union use the same guidelines because we donīt live in the middle ages. With an execution you change nothing, thatīs why she is senseless. | 
09-08-2008, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Andreas To be honest, i canīt agree with you Alex. Surely, itīs good possible that you have the both terrible child murder cases in the city of Leipzig in your head when youīre pro DP. | No, not really, even though ANY crime against children or helpless are qualifying for the DP.
I'm for business reasons in Asia quite a lot, Kuala Lumpur is an very imprerssive city by the way, but what i figured out is that there are no drug issues. You get caught with more than 50 gramms,... > "hang 'em high". And as they kill the suppliers there's simply not much to purchase. So you may think it's wrong to kill people for drug dealing but then again you don't get the complete issue. Drugs itself are no problem actually i agree on that one BUT contraband is one, because the addicts commit crimes to pay for their drugs. No drug dealers, nothing to purchase, no crimes to organise cash to pay for drugs.....
And i keep saying, everybody is free in his decissions, you just have to pay the price. | 
09-08-2008, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Andreas With an execution you change nothing, thatīs why she is senseless. | Disagree, political correctness is the sake of the EU and in fact that is why we will end in some serious trouble the next 30 years.
You remember the RAF? Some of those killed way more than one person and if i remember right they are all free. 25 years for murder. Non terrorists are for murder often free after 15 years on parole. No kidding. i'm having some back ground and i know what i'm saying...... To get real life long, but still with an option on parole you have to qualify a special way, like killing kids or raping kids,.......... | 
09-08-2008, 11:51 AM
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My Mood: | | Re: Two Texas Excution this Week Maybe You are right Alex, the most former RAF terrorists got a new chance. The last one will come free next year (Chr. Klar). What was the result: no-one of them committed any new offence. Thatīs the other side of the coin, the strength of our society. The point is not whether a nation is generous enough to release a killer, we only talk about to let him alive. The best example to compare the effects of DP are the United States, a nation we have a lot more similarities with than with asian nations (way of life, mentality, law systems et cetera). I ever compare the crime rates of Los Angeles and Berlin because these cities are comparable. Which influence has had the DP to lower L.A.s crime rate to come to the same level as Berlin it has ? The answer is very simple: no influence. Despite of possible DPīs the crime rate is much more higher. It means the essential reasons must be others and the threat of DP has no real effect in that relation. | 
09-08-2008, 11:58 AM
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My Mood: | | Re: Two Texas Excution this Week Maybe Have a Doctors appointment and have to leave for soon, so will keep short. I agree with Andreas completely on this topic.
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09-08-2008, 12:33 PM
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My Mood: | | Re: Two Texas Excution this Week Maybe Andreas is correct the DP does not have any deterrence effect unless you use the argument that it prevents the executed from killing but then that is not really the point . it is supposed to prevent those who are not dead from killing.
Comparing three demographically similar states NY CA and TX . TX which executes the most has the highest crime rate CA has a DP but has not used it fequently has a slightly loweer crime rate NY does not have a DP an has a substantially lower crime rate . TX has a higher homicide rate than either state . Sowhere is the dettrance ?
There are many other reason for crime it is a very long list and those committing crimes often do not think about getting caught . This is especially true for homicide . There are some major differences in the way the US andd most of the EU deals with issues such as poverty , health care ,unemployment and mental illness among a few things . this probably contributes to a lower crime rate .
The stats are from the US Dept of Justice
My question was sort of hypothetical what do we do if we have a DP and the state gets it wrong be it by mistake or more so now due to prosecution misconduct to deliberately get a conviction regardless of guilt or innocence and in particularly if they know a persoin is Innocent . I would think it is a greater crime ot deliberately send a person to DR and execute or simply to prison them kn owing they are inncernt simply to advance in ones career or get elected .
It is even wrong to overcharge a person to get a longer prison term to further ones ambition and chances at getting elected .
Justice should never be a stepping stone to ones careers and those accused should not be sacrificial scapegoats to further a ruthless person's ambitions.
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09-08-2008, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ASE Andreas is correct the DP does not have any deterrence effect unless you use the argument that it prevents the executed from killing but then that is not really the point . it is supposed to prevent those who are not dead from killing. | If the DP has no effect how are some asian countries drug free? Maybe because they simply hang all drug dealers and keep doing so. Like i said above i consider Kuala Lumpur a very friendly and safe town which is larger than any we have in Europe. Obviously the DP does work.
2nd. I wrote i will never see the DP on not waterproof cases. Lot's of DP cases you hear and read in newsapapers in the US are not waterproof, they are miles away. That makes people think it's wrong, and it is you can't decide over someones life if his guilt is not sure. But it doesn't make the DP itself an ineffective tool.
3rd LOT's of the crime in the US is homemade, nothing new to me. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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