The other guy participated because firstly it was a hate crime, and the other guy was part of the hate group. This was a racial killing, Troy Kell near enough says that but the other guy does.

Ase referred to Troy Kell as a major manipulator which he clearly is, he manipulates the camara so imagine if you spend years locked up with him?

Saying that, I don't think he had a fair trial, ffs the trial was held inside the prison so how could the jury be fair, yes before I get pounced on, I listened to him say he was going to get an academy award for his performance.

It is clear he did the killing, overkill infact, he wanted the other inmate dead and ensured he was. He knew it was on video too and he knew the consequences but in his mind he was going to die inside anyhow. The point I am trying to make is you can't judge a crime committed behind bars to crimes in the free world.

He isn't asking for sympathy, he has accepted his fate. At least he stands up for what he believes and isn't crying innocence and posting websites etc even though he has his own little fan club.

I do agree with a comment that the prison authorities should be held accountable for this too, I can't remember how long the killing was, 8 mins or around that, while the guards stood their and watched. Oops sorry they were getting a team together and getting geared up!!!!!!!

One thing is for sure, he is going to be executed for this crime.

How many stabbings occur inside prison walls? If every knife maniac would get the dp than every death row in every state would be overcrowded.

I am doing a bit of ''googling'' about inmate to inmate killings and general life inside, which is not necessary as read and heard alot but here is something to I found to further clarify my point about crimes inside compared to crimes in the free world

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For many, violence becomes a daily reality. Fifty-nine percent of survey respondents who answered questions about victimization in prison reported that they have been physically or sexually assaulted.133 “Someone tried to cut my throat with a razor knife,” Gary J. told us.134 Nearly every survey respondent reported witnessing violent acts.135 Their descriptions make clear that the violence they encounter is not simple fist fights: nearly half reported witnessing stabbings; some described witnessing murders, rapes, strangulations, and severe beatings.136 “I've seen more death in here than I did when I was living in the inner city,” Rudy L. said.137 Bilal R. wrote, “I have seen stabbings, rapes, robberies, and many other things. I’ve been stabbed more than once.”138

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"When I Die, They'll Send Me Home": Youth sentenced to Life without Parole in California: Life Inside Prison

While inmate populations continue to grow, staffing levels in most facilities either have stagnated or decreased. Oftentimes, the first to be hit by cutbacks are the men and women employed to supervise inmates. This means that, as the inmate population multiplies, there is less staff" on hand to supervise those placed in the system's care.

In the last formal report of the jail system conducted by the Bureau of Justice, the ratio of inmates per correction officer jumped from 2.9 to 4.3. The ratio of inmates per correction officer in state and Federal correctional facilities rose from 4.6 to 4.8.

State and Federal correctional facilities report a 27% increase in inmate-on-inmate assaults and a 32% rise in inmate-on-staff attacks. This data coincides with reports that facilities are filled beyond capacity. In fact, it is reported that state prisons are operating between one and 16% above capacity, while Federal prisons are at 31%.

It has been easy to overlook the increase of crime inside correctional facilities because of a focus on the decreasing national crime rates on the street. When these lawbreakers are arrested, they bring their criminality inside prison walls. A perfect example is New York City's Rikers Island--the world's largest penal colony--which faces the dilemma of too many inmates and not enough correction officers. Since the layoff; of 2003, crime inside the jail has risen 20% and the suicide rates of inmates have increased dramatically.

/findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1272/is_2724_134/ai_n15380394

for the rest of the story which isn't really related to inmate to inmate killing.

I don't know If I can adequetly answer some things in post on a internet forum. One thing I did try to make clear is that there is no such thing as a right ot jury of your peers . You are entitled to a jury or citizens . There is a process called Vior Dire , where juroros are asked questions about themselves wand if they can be inmpartail ort oin DP case can they impose the DP a little problem there .As pro DP s are incled tobelive thestate is never wrong, Yikes

It is capitol offense to commit a murder while incarcerated IBN DP states that means the prosecution will seek death . They only way pout is self defense it is a tough one at that but it has worked . That Kell planned this is even n more reprehensible. Why the bosses did not act is beyond me. I have seen bosses beat the daylights out of a guy for far less .Ussuely they Jump right in to "have some fun" and of course kick the crap outa s many as they can and use all their "toys" for insecure boys .

Kell and his co defendant had a choice and he made it. They alone are to blame . Yeah there is racial tension in prison but .. it is not what we are led to believe .

Skye ios roight hedoes not to this day show any sign of changing. hehas zero remores and wouldod it again or so it would seem

NO this is NOT the norm it is the exception and part of the beliefs of th Aryan Brotherhood a vicious prison gang that has been hurt by putting its leaders into the Admax in Florence Co where they thankfully live in total isolation it is the only answer then they earned it. I have no sympathy for them they kill without even thinking twice . We have to do something to keep other offender safe and total isolation of gang leaders is one way . it is very harsh but it is better than executing them and giving them what they want martyrdom !

Kel should be shipped there and kept in total isolation it is more fitting than a firings quad let him rot in a cell alone 24 /7 no visits only legal mail nothing else no groupies not hero worship no notoriety .NO TV inbte views nothing atal but the f the exact same meals a day for life that is much worse than the "heros "death he seeks ! .
Maybe Whitaker can have most of his commissary confiscated and to a victims fund and his mail restricted so he cannot get gruopies and fans I am sick of it . Whitaker like Kell will kill again in my mind Both of them make me mad . and are hurting any thing to help prisners and prisoner rights . Let them rot somewhere out of sight and mind in ad seg with nothing but 3 of the same meals every day for the rest of their twisted lives

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Wow ASE didn't mean to get you mad :-)

I have been totally wiped out emotionally with that video. I see films and what have you but that was pure violence, intending to end a life. We don't know what the other guy did to provoke BUT it wasn't a fair fight, if there is such a thing. He was manouvered there by people who wanted to kill him. And as you say a racial crime so it seems. Which is a whole different debate.

I do not see the similarity between Whitaker and Kell. Having read info on Whitaker and watched that film on Kell, Kell seems more hardened and stoney faced. Whitaker seems to repent what he has done. Is it worse to repent and ask forgivness or to face what you have done and not moan.

Kell should be in a segregated unit, in my opinion. He doesn't show remorse and the first murder put him there, the second signed his death warrant.

The thing that is so sad is the other guy who it seems was taken in by the whole prison culture and joined the white supremist group. He was in for forgery for goodness sake and ended up in for life for his part. Should the extremists not be kept from the people who are in there for lesser crimes? People are easily lead and it seems to survive in prison you have to join some association or other to be safe. Is this right? I only speak of what I have read.

When you say Whitaker would kill again, what makes you think that? He never tried to kill anyone else other than his family - I don't mean that is acceptable but I mean he didn't seem to have any other attempts at harming others. Kell I could believe that he would kill again after watching that video. But Whitaker I do not know. But open to hearing why you think so.

I do not understand why there are fan clubs for prisoners. Supporting them emotionally as a friend is one thing but you cannot be a fan of a murderer or such surely. I haven;t heard from anyone I have written to yet. All including Thomas are in for murder of some capacity. Other than Thomas I don't know the stories behind the murders or the lifes they lead so I cannot judge. Out of interest do you write to people convicted of murder or lesser crimes?

I have to stop thinking about that video before i go to bed or else I will have nightmares about it. I watched the gang programme the other week and ended up scared stiff from awful dreams at 3am.

Very interesting comments from everyone, the whole subject is certainly fascinating and each crime is interesting in its own way.

I just hope by writing to the people I won't regret it but I am sure others felt the same when they wrote for the first time.

Off to bed but could continue here if I wasnt to tired, nothing like a great debate and especially over Troy Kell who actually does not piss me off so much as whining whittaker. nite nite all

Night Night Waldron - come back tomorrow and chat some more - I find it all fascinating, especially peoples opinions. Kell seems more viscious than Whitaker surely? Emotionally Whitakers case makes you sadder as it was his parents but Kell, seeing that attack, it was nasty and makes me feel that is worse, especially as he killed already - can anyone tell me what the original murder was about? Or link me.
Suzy....who is also going to bed.

Morning Lokiluella, thanks for nite nite wishes, Just got up and on my first coffee, I quickly found a link about the show and tell murders and perhaps with this link you can look up more details, if not let me know.

//www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?s=7003362

have a nice day lok

Good Morning Waldron, hope you slept well!! I am up and ready early today. Once kids at school. boring work to do :-( but I have light relief by way of poppin on and off here! Do you live in the UK?
I am going to have a look at that link now..........interesting that Sandy Shaw has served 21 years in prison for luring the victim to the desert. That is a long time to be in prison when you actually didn't kill anyone. I assume that state does not have the Law of Parties but something similar.
I notice that Kell says the way he lived his life in the outside world meant he was at risk of being killed. Was he in a gang on the outside or something?
I guess it is true that he is not moaning etc and is just serving his time. I read somewhere that he had a date of execution set but it was stayed. It seems it may not be long.
Any other interesting cases, link me I am fascinated.
Suzy aka Lokiluella

She was an accessory to murder. She didn't just lure him, and show off his dead body.

She is the one who instigated the crime, and you will see that in the documentary when she tells how she went to Kell about this guy and took matters into his own hands, with the aide of shaw.

She did a lot more than lure him to the desert.

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