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Elric of Melnibonne · #11 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 05:27 PM

Well, if they do not like jail, maybe they should have thought about going to school or learnig a trade. Even in these troubled times, people still need work done to cars and houses. People still need computers fixed. People still attend school and collee and before you tell me I am full of it, the money is there. you just have to get off your @$$ and look for it.
Moderator edited Well, you are right on that because that is what they have been punished with. THEY were the ones that did that crime. It is not a "bad decision", it was not a "choice." They decided to do what they did for whatever sick and twisted reason they had.
Just so you know, when I was an Education major in Florida, I volunteered at a facility operated by Florda DOC. I met people on house arrest, probation, and ones that had been upstate.
What I learned was that a lot of them were going to be in and out of the system for the rest of their lives and THEY had to be the ones to change.
Most of them had a lot of educational problems, most being that they did not like school. Most wanted what they wanted and did not care if it belonged to someone else.

peanut2 · #12 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 05:58 PM

ASE, for me there is a lot to learn by reading the "actual" inmates comments in a blog, not the comments of those around them so much in the free world say about them.
It is a window of opportunity if one does not get on the defensive, hard but, leave the crime out. It does give us tools and insight into how to prevent more like him.

Not just him himself, but for us as a society, where do we go wrong and what can we do to prevent.

But, then we have to look honestly at ourselves too.

ASE · #13 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 06:01 PM

Obviously you do not know what jail is for . You assume every one is guilty and some sort of deranged killer . That simply is not true . Did you read the post ? No , thought so

Many people go to jail and never go to prison . They simply could not make bail or bond in TX that is particularly true . he person late on a child support payment can be in the same cell as a Bart Whitaker in jail ! There is a difference between jail and prison but neither should be the torture chambers you wish for .Why the desire to abuse and torturer . moderator edited.

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It is clear you really do not know much about prison law , or why people get caught up in the (in) justice system and the revolving door it can be . Society does play a role like it or not . It is hard to change when laws are stacked against you and there is little to zero correcting or rehabilitating in any prison system . The irony is your type of mentality is what got us this revolving door . Because you want revenge not anything else just be honest about it or will that cause you to lose all credibility

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ASE · #14 (**permalink**) 08-10-2009, 06:11 PM

Peanut that is true . i have read some blogs while distributing they do offer insight into a lot . Bart's blog is a very unusual and rare chance to read what a sociopath thinks and says . We should pay close attention as there are "Barts" in all levels of society . limiting the damage and harm they do not all end up killing . Will make us all safer in lots of ways . not just from a criminal perspective

Yes we as a society have to find ways to deal with many things . we are not doing a very good job now if we were there would be few locked up.
The issues are not black and white or easy to solve .

I often wish ex offedners who have done good would be allwedto be more involved and or asked waht works for us and what is not owrking thought tesyasem not this revenge minded lock em up f em tossthge key think . It is very expensive and a dismal failure

Preventing things before they happen is much less costly that what we do now and better for all of us as a society . As the saying goes no man is an Island

Elric of Melnibonne · #15 (**permalink**) 08-11-2009, 01:03 PM

Jail is for people who have been arrested and A: Not been to trial yet. B: IN jail because they cannot raise the bail money to bond out, or C: Are sentenced and serving time for sentences under a year. There is a catagory for people that are waiting transport to a state faciltiy becuase they were sentenced to felony crimes.
And yes, people can have any charge and be with anyone in the cell or tank.

As far as re-habilitation goes, a person CANNOT forcabley be rehabilitated. They have to dig in and do it for themselves. I agree that the TOOLS should be in prison for learning and trades.
I also do not mind if inmates want to earn a GED but as far as college, they should have to pay for that like anyone else.

ASE · #16 (**permalink**) 08-11-2009, 02:18 PM

Where ever you get you information form as to what offenders in prison get it is very wrong . They in every state have and the BOP have to pay for college courses on their own usually this comes from friends and family . Who often cannotaford that . So they do not get any education . At one time they were able to get Pell grants but the wacko right scapegoated them and that ended . Of course that worked out well. as does all those other "truff on crime" laws . That have just created more crimes and more criminals and made re entry extremely difficult . You make some very broad and uninformed, racist , intolerant assumptions about offenders that simply are not true. I would not be bothered if prisoners got Pell grants and a education so soem can become productive citizen on release as well as ending lawsthat set up near insurmountable barriers f or a lot of those relasaed unlessthey are very very fortunate like myself .

Emotions make very poor law and usually end up backfireing as wecan see today .

Why do you have such a hateful cold hearted attitude towards offenders . Obviously you relly do not know much about them or why or what laned them inproisn . They are not all twisted deranged maniacs as you poaint them not bya long shot . Very few aretiwsted andderanged as is true for those whoarwe not incacerted .

There are those who have never been locked up who have done a lot of harm stolen billions and even caused deaths at a scale unconcievable to all but maybe e 4 or five who all reside in the ADMAX .All of thease people might easily be called Sociopaths . Some are CEOs COOs CFOs ect . Some are Judges some were presidents or vice presidents . To mention a few places where Sociopaths are found .

Life is not as grim or back and white as you paint it . I sure can 't imagine living with such hate and fear of anything that is not just like me . With thatview of lie someone might just as well go move to one of those unused Bomb shelters and lock themselves in it so they can be safe from the big bad scary world .

Society is changing it is n o longer 1980 and those failed ideas are things of the past . Why tis deoisrefor revenge torture and getting even ? Do es that realy work ? Nothing says it does . If anything all the studies andrersaerch points to the fact that our making damn near every human beahviora felony has just increased crime and not prevent it . Does any one really think people do soemsort of cost benfit analysis befoe rcomitng a crime ?

Most are done on impulse or due to very poor judgment . Wonder what cuased that ? It sure was not the individual themselves humans are far to complex for that . and their environment plays a role to say it does not is ridiculous and irrational

it took the US 200 years to incarcerate one million people and 30 or so to lock up 250 million and counting . that is very telling . We cannot make every thing we do not like a crime or felony . Dong so does not stop those things from happening and lcoking every one up is very expensive and a waste of lives .

What about some "pros" who have openly advocated the commission of very serious felonies . What would do if you end up in TX court then in TDCJ ,.Advocating the commission of a felony is a felony in all 50 states

As for Bart he is a very smart and articulate guy . That does not mean we have to like him . it one not mean we cannot read his blog and gain insights into the thoughts of a sociopath . Regardless of what bart is he does have a point society needs to look at what it is and what it is becoming . Though I wish Bart did not have gruopies but I do not care if people wish to write him as long as they do not flaunt him or glorify him . It is a individuals choice to write a person in prison or not to do so . No one has a right to tell any one not ot . unless that correspondence is in someway illegal or a violation of that DOCs rules

Think about this. Bart is sitting on DR while the person who committed the actual homicide who is just as guilty got life with parole in return for testimony . He could have backed out at any time. With out both Brashear and Bart there is not a multipe homicide . So were are the values for life and whose life is more"valuable" ? I either both go to DR or both get life with parole or LWOP . Either one could have backed out at any time Bart could have called it off Brashear could have just left .If he wanted he could have contacted the cops about Bart at any time in prior to the homicides . He did not .

While there is little question much of what Bart writes about is all about him and his wants . The same can be said for a lot of pros that in itself is telling as they seem to be little differnt than Bart in their selfish needs and homicidal ideation or so it would seem. When people bet on and cheer executions, get mad when a person is exonerated or has a sentence commuted or pardoned . That is just as disturbing as what Bart is . and not any better . Why do they need a innocent person to be guilty ? Why do the object when the courts and officials do their job correctly ?

Their absolute certainty that they and only they are right is as equally troubling as some one like Bart . If not more so .

If it is ever them in the defendant's chair facing death , and it could easily be especially in TX .I have a feeling the would become Anti and very much in favor of reforming prison and the justice system in a matter of seconds . They would also discover the Constitution You know that pesky "piece of paper" as the wacko right calls it .

Not only does Bart have lots of self reflection and thought on who and what he is and become . A part of society has some to do on who and what they are and have become d also . The seem to have become every thing they claim to be against and then some .

Once again why the overwhelming need to torture and abuse our prisoners ? Does any one really think it makes any one safer, prevents crime and rehabilitates ? Or is it pure evil and revenge just wrapped up in the co opted grief and suffering of a real victim ?

Elric of Melnibonne · #17 (**permalink**) 08-11-2009, 04:09 PM

I dont think he is that smart. I DO think he is manipulative and a scociopath. And that he is exactly where he belongs for ordering the hit on his family.

ASE · #18 (**permalink**) 08-11-2009, 07:30 PM

I would not under estimate Bart's intelligence for one second ,that is a dangerous thing to do . Being intelligent and a manipulative sociopath in prison are not mutually exclusive. I saw a good number of very intelligent people in prison few were manipulative sociopaths . Prison and intelligence or lack of are not necessarily related . That is just another irrational hate filled myth , or is is eugenics and racism ?

No one would say should have been felon Nixon was not intelligent very manipulative and paranoid . Had he not resigned he would have been convicted . Oh I graduated with a 3.7 GPA from a very good college after release . But I got a lot of help from family and friends to get through financially . Most ex Cons do not have that . The money did not fall from the sky thats fro sure .

Rush Limbaugh, Oxy contin fiend and druggie / junkie . A right wing favorite “tuff on crime” hypocrite .Who should be serving a very very longtime (ya know send all druggies up the river, until it is him facing big numbers ) but for his political connections at the time . A smart very manipulative I think sociopath who will do what ever he can to get whatever he wants regardless of any one else . I can find lots of your “guys” to use as examples it is pathetically simple .

Why is it when a victims survivor does not wish to seek the DP they are called just as bad as the killer and suddenly not one victims rights group and few prosecutors supports them? That is a fact you cannot ignore . Bart's father and other family do not want Bart executed . It is obvious they do not suit the “victims rights” agenda and are therefore not worthy of any assistance . They often do not get any from assistance the courts under the laws required to these laws the so called “victims rights groups have forced on us !

Bart's Fathers incredibly remarkable ability to forgive is to be admired not scorned with hate like some pros do . Then we all know it is about a sick lust for revenge and politics . We could do with a lot more Kent Whittakers in the world .Few have that capacity to not only forgive but to still want Bart as part of his family .

All Three involved in the homicide Bart engineered are equally guilty . The TX s law of parties should be very fitting in this case . Any one of them could have backed out none did had any of them backed out no homicide . It does come across as revenge and wanting moire executions to satisfy some sick desire to kill . Are the others not equally guilty in this as all their participation was required to carry out the homicides . So what is is one guys is executed for the actions of there all get executed or all do LWOP or all get life with parole ? Which life is more valuable ? All three had many opportunities to stop the whole tragedy many many times .

In anything Bart's death sentences seems to be due to personal issues between the prosecutor and Bart's original attorney. Hell of a reason to execute some one and let the others live.

This does not men I or any one here likes Bart . It means some of us want justice and it to be fair and equal . Nothing more .

SikkiNixx · #19 (**permalink**) 08-16-2009, 05:12 AM

Rush Limbaugh?? WTF is that?

Andreas · #20 (**permalink**) 08-16-2009, 06:14 AM

It was the "ghostwriter", the man behind W, named as a falcon.

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