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Old 09-05-2009, 03:50 PM
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Default Pro & Anti DP?

A> If your Pro DP, do you feel some anti's go over the edge to scary or criminal minded or other themselves etc

B. If your Anti DP do you feel some Pro's take it over the edge to scary or criminal minded themselves etc.


C. If you sit on the fence so to speak, meaning believe the DP is fair in extreme cases only, does that to you mean you are actually Pro?

D. If you are totally anti DP, how long "should an inmate stay incarcerated" being of worse of the worse, & crimes commited, how many years is too long to you?

E. If your Pro death penalty how many years is too long to be on death row before executed to you?

F. If you sit on the fence, where is the line?, Type crimes, or how many victims, or to who victims were the heinousness of the crime. would it take to qualify for DP to you? .

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Oh my goodness P'nut, so many questions and its gonna be a hot topic.

My opinion on the death penalty would be pro but I want to make sure we have all the DNA evidence to prove the case. No DNA proof, no death penalty. As far as when it should be used. I would say murder, murder of a child or children. Good example would be Scott Peterson, killing his beautiful wife and unborn child.

I beleive there are people that go to the extreme on both sides of this issue. And as far as time on death row. Once again, it boils down to DNA. If they have proof, get it done. If they don't...wait till they have the proof.
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1. Yes, some of them think too shortsighted.
2. Yes, some of them think too shortsighted.
3. Iīm strongly against DP in every case.
4. There is no real limitation in years. The detention should be humanely and the inmate should get the possibility to do some work to have a senseful life. The question is whether the inmate is furthermore a menace for the society or not, it should be reviewed regularly. If the answer becomes NO, then is the timepoint reached to think about when the inmate could come free.
5. DR is in general a retrograde facility.
6. The question is a different one: what should be the sense of a punishment ? One sense is surely to protect the society from an offender. Behind bars is the common convict no further menace for the society. Thatīs why no comprehensible reason exist to kill an offender.
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Andreas,

Does Deutchland have the death penalty. I must admit I don't know too much about your country.

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Default Re: Pro & Anti DP?

Ok but, most inmates who are on DR are so dangerous,they cannot have a job or be placed in general population, too dangerous to other inmates themselves and staff.

So, what about their safety too????
All staff is responsible for the safety of each and all inmate's and staff.

These are not regular inmates and crimes this is DR inmates....
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Robert, inside the European Union is DP abolished in all member countries.

Peanut, iīm pretty aware that there exist a lot of inmates who are really too dangerous to be in "common inmate populations". I think the core of prison gang leaders count as such dangerous people. Overcrowding is one reason what it makes easy for those leaders to recruit new "personnel". Ask what the motivation of those soldiers is to serve a gang leader. Simply said, it is their fear. Both reasons show tactics to fight against such developments. Prevent overcrowding through incarcerating each egg thief (for a much too long time) and sort out all those prisoners who count as dangerous, bring them in a first stage into a supermax. What you will get is a more safe prison "for common inmates". Now you can try to reach what i wrote above.
For dangerous inmates must count that a return to the normal population could be possible, hope is an important emotional factor. When they are mentally disturbed (i guess the majority is) then they should come into psychiatric facilities. Ongoing strong isolation is the wrong way because it makes each healthy human sick, a disturbed personality becomes a real menace under such a premise. Prevent the thinking "i have nothing to lose" whilst you give each inmate the chance for a better and humanely life, and you will see that the hardest and toughest guy will become softly, sooner or later.
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Although this is about DR and DP, I agree the non violent inmates should not be with violent to begin with.

I agree, bring all dangerous straight to a super max.
Why the prisons all these years will not do this is questionable,the public has asked this many a times thru the yrs. Always ignored topic by them.
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Itīs only a thought, but 25% of all inmates world-wide live where ? The question is allowed what went wrong and how this situation is solvable. The same view/thoughts do i have in relation to DP, itīs not a must be. Iīm convinced Americas society wouldnīt get damaged without DP and when the penal system would become renewed as a whole. At the moment do i think a lot of problems (and dangerous inmates/people) are self-made. I believe it wouldnīt be a bad idea to look to the europeans to learn (and maybe adapt) some new ways in that relation. That timepoint will come, iīm more than sure.
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After conviction, a year and a day for appeals. Then execute if there are no appeals or anything. The United States has, under the Constitution, a provision for speedy justice. Why not for speedy sentence...
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Default Re: Pro & Anti DP?

A> If your Pro DP, do you feel some anti's go over the edge to scary or criminal minded or other themselves etc

B. If your Anti DP do you feel some Pro's take it over the edge to scary or criminal minded themselves etc.

I believe both go over the edge. When someone is too far to the right or too far to the left it can be dangerous. For some it becomes a scary obsession.



C. If you sit on the fence so to speak, meaning believe the DP is fair in extreme cases only, does that to you mean you are actually Pro?

Yes, I consider myself anti with exceptions. It would be only
in extreme cases that I would believe it to be necessary, and extreme cases only. I also believe it should only be carried out if there is NO Room for human error and the DNA and Forensics tell the same story.


D. If you are totally anti DP, how long "should an inmate stay incarcerated" being of worse of the worse, & crimes committed, how many years is too long to you?

I believe some life sentences are necessary.


E. If your Pro death penalty how many years is too long to be on death row before executed to you?

The average is 10 years and I think that is sufficient. It allows proper amount of time for appeals and those who may be innocent to argue the decision and prove their innocence.


F. If you sit on the fence, where is the line?, Type crimes, or how many victims, or to who victims were the heinousness of the crime. would it take to qualify for DP to you? .


It would have to be heinous acts, heinous acts involving women and children with sexual assaults/molestation that resulted in murder. And serial killers. (Heinous acts against the mentally retarded as well)
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