Actually, I think this is an even weaker position to take. You want someone else to do the deed for you, you are not prepared to do it yourself, even though you claim to believe it is the right thing to do.

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I agree100 % Sunray !

OK Pros try this being locked up and told a loved one has been murdered b! In the" Pro DP'" sickos view that is justice even if I never killed anyone right ?

You cannot call any one no matter your conviction . That it is justice thast person never deserved to be murdered but in pro revenge land it is just wonderful . You guys would cheer that is how sick you are . Just keeping ya all honest.

You will say
"I know how it feels " OH I never killed any one though but no matter in pro fantasy revenge land every one is a child raping wife beating killer right ? (Moderator edited)

Because I was locked up that person who was murdered deserved it . I was just getting what I deserved right pros ? Come on be brave tell us what you realy belive or if youdo will it show the DP is about revenge and temporarily satisfying a homicidal urge / fantasy .

Be honest about it Ghouls One of you a female I'll call "C" was "dating " a DR convict on Polunsky ! I know I saw you visit Polunsky on weekdays that is only for DR your avatar shows who you are . I remember you walking in weekly ! . OH yes he talked and laughed about playing you "C" . Until he played a European groupie with more money . You found out now you want to kill him .

Gotcha "C" .Hope yer ghoul pals understand why ya all are a "pro" now. you were once a groupie on mod edited your self ! A Groupie from Europe had more money than you a good reaspon to be pro ?

If you could out spend her you still be a groupie how ironic . Yes he is still alive yes I know who you are and who he is . OH none of you ever thought that at some point some one who did time Polunksy would make all this BS public did you? Or did you think like many gruopies Polunsky was just DR ?

Why not be honest all of you pros and gruopies ? OH that would take all the attention away

Now your PRO because ya all got played how sick .

Get of your false moral high horse and say it you like to land enjoy seeing others die you are sick evil people who could give a rats A$$ about justice you all just vicariously enjoy killing some one . You know who ya all are .
In the end one life is worth more than another it all depends on who lost their life . You guys are the face of evil .

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If it was my job id do it. (execute).

Look im not going to continue this. Its pointless. ASE I can't respond to your posts as I didn't read them lol

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Andreas, of course a terrorist groupie would endanger himself, "only" if they can take many innocents with him though.
Bin Laden, we as a country went after him, he was the leader of serial killings. Saddam was a serial killer also, he was executed.
That is an extreme serial killing, so we have to keep the DP intact. Reason I say, I am anti with exceptions.

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I may be wrong here, even if one is a pro, they would be called a vigilante if they took the execution into their own hands. Be in prison themselves.

We have no way of judging each individual if they personally could go to the execution chamber and do it themselves or not.

Not sure you can paint all pro's, as having a weak postion there. Just like all anti's are not under the umbrella of a what we refer to,as the groupie mentality.

Just my thoughts to be fair to all sides

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I agree. I agree with the DP in certain cases. There are some people and cases where there really is no other option.

Just because I see it that way doesn't mean I want people to die or be killed.

I just see no point on being to the far right or far left, when there are situations where it is necessary. It doesn't make me right or wrong, it is just my opinion.

With changing times in some cases it is necessary.

How you do house someone who has killed people in the double digits who has no remorse or feelings toward what he did , and openly admits how easy it was to kill in a matter of fact, oh yeah kind of way? How do you justify putting the lives of those around him who have to house him and provide the necessities to live in danger? If they kill again, after incarceration in the most strict environment what do you do?

There are some cases, even in terrorist acts where it is needed.

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No peanut, I didn't mean in a vigilante way. I just meant that so many Pros I have seen and spoken to are so vehemently crying out for individuals to be killed, yet they want no part in the actual act themselves because they can only deal with it by keeping the whole thing at arms length. You see, it is easy to say a complete stranger should die because they have done bad things, but once you have contact with that person, they become a person.

Sorry, it's early in the morning and my brain isn't quite awake yet, but I am thinking along the same lines as soldiers are trained: you have to dehumanise the enemy to enable soldiers to kill them. If you retain the humanity of an individual, it is generally much harder to kill them for those who would otherwise not be killers.

I am NOT saying every Pro should take the law into their own hands at all. I am just saying, that if you feel it is the right way for the law to be, then you should at least be prepared to carry out the execution yourself if you were ever called to, and in that case, you should be willing to kill.

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Peanut, i´ve been considering about what you wrote, but i can´t agree. Let me explain. You are not the only one who thinks DP should be allowed in certain cases. When we look twice, then can we notice that those "certain cases" are persons we hate or crimes which disgust us. In other words: we talk about what we feel. A courtroom is no place for emotions but when we judge based on our own emotions then has the defendant no real chance. The Saddam trial is the best instance, it was a charade far away from any justice. The trial was led by emotions, no matter whether he was a tyrant or not. This is the difficulty, to stay emotionless while judging, to use solely the evidenced facts.
For a better understanding what i mean, take a look to Holland, to Den Haag. There are several international crime courts, for instance the ICTY where comparable trials were held. I guess this court works emotionless and it grants the best possible assistance for the defendant (i mean the attorneys team) and it respects the defendants life. The difficulty is to stay emotionless, to let speak exclusively the hard facts, to stay humanely independent what your own emotions might be, to underline that the modern societies ethics is much more higher and better than the defendants one and that we don´t have a need to do the same the defendant has done. This is what a majority of us can´t do because we are full of emotions, i guess.

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The state of Wisconsin where I call home does not have Capital punishment. Other states in this country have also abolished the ultimate punishment. I am anti-Death Penalty on the proven premise that death sentences are meted out unfairly and by tainted criminal trials by jealous prosecutors.

I truly became an anti-Death Penalty advocate in 1955 while witnessing a jail house mate railroaded by prosecutors in San Antonio to the Electric Chair through the use of perjury and falsely fabricated evidence.

Alvaro Alcorta missed being executed 11 times by mere minutes while his case was stayed by the U.S. Supreme Court until reversed. I think I need only to give you the case of this wrongly convicted man and the reason why I am apposed to any death penalty, whether it is Flogging, Stoning, or any type of barbaric punishment.

Here is my case for opposition. I understand not all cases are similar, but the punishment is:

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Sorry Sunray I misunderstood you on the one point.

I agree if one could not carry out the execution itself.
That is why now I am anti with rare exceptions.
I truely believe I could with a terrorist who bombed a building killing or causing great disability to others for their own twisted war no one knows of.
I also could if a person kills say numerous children, or prostitutes or a profile type of women they hated due to a mother or girlfriend relationship. They heinously have slaughtered and raped and disgarded the many body's like garbage.

Both to me the terrorist or the serial killer, it is past emotions logically they are too dangerous for anyone anywhere and the options should be the DP for the truely guilty in extreme cases as these.

Serial killers have their own war going on against whoever or whatever profile, they are the ones who dehumanized so many, same with terrorist.
Not me I say enough is enough, it actually is a war with these types, which as war the result would be the enemy has left us no real options.

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