IMHO Yes, they are.

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The DR groupies might be bizarre outrageous , offensive psychologically unstable and occasionally commit crimes such as introducing cell phones into DR and a few other things it seems . They are small and number and usually not taken seriously . They don't help any one who wants to reform our broken justice system and greatly hurt the Anti DP cause. One recently posted a rambling nearly incoherent threatening letter sent by TX DR offender Richard Tabler there are two accounts as to how it got out either way TDCJ's security on DR is in question .


That being said . It seems with the Willingham case the “Tuff on Crime tm” Will not acknowledge that in all 99.9% likely hood Texas executed a innocent m man . Their silence with the disturbing exception of the then prosecutor now judge and the incoherent rantings from a wingnut “lawyer for a political organization is telling . Hard to refute this one it seems that the most horrific outcome of the DP has happened . In fact it is not reasonable or logical to say that innocent human beings have been executed . Any one who finds this acceptable is as evil as those they wish to execute if not more .

The hardcore “Pros” also come across as maladjusted bloodthirsty ghouls and severely unstable individuals with psychiatric problems if not psychopaths themselves who just want to to kill

. One of the profiles of serial killer and other homicidal sociopaths / psycho paths is in fact membership in a “crime fighting organization “ Often killers of prostitutes and drug users are in this profile .

Instead of posting more I found these links . I think they and the accompanying comments speak very well

Grits for Breakfast: Cameron Todd Willingham: Required Reading






Wednesday, September 09, 2009
Cameron Todd Willingham: Required Reading
I thought it'd be useful to round up some commentary on the Willingham case, which has drawn a huge amount of interest.

The recent flurry of attention began thanks to a new report from an expert commissioned by the Texas Forensic Science Commission and an extensive article in the New Yorker by David Gann, which vetted the arson testimony and other evidence in the case. The prosecutor, now a judge, offered a retort in the Corsicana Sun. Gann responded to the prosecutor's column here. Gann also points out several writers who have already responded to the prosecutor's op-ed.

The Sun published another rebuttal story titled "No Doubts" that even quoted Willingham's trial attorney proclaiming his guilt. By contrast, they didn't speak to Willingham's Waco-based appellate attorney, Walter Reaves, who always believed Willingham was innocent and feels vindicated by the new forensic report and the New Yorker piece, he says on his blog.

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So Did Texas Execute an Innocent Man?
Tuesday, September 8th, 2009
Last month, I wrote about new questions in the case of Cameron Todd Willingham, who was executed in Texas for setting a fire that killed his two children. Nine forensic fire experts have since come forward to say that the fire marshall who testified in Willingham’s case had no idea what he was talking about. The most recent expert to review the case, for example, said the marshall’s findings were “nothing more than a collection of personal beliefs that have nothing to do with science-based fire investigation.”
This is interesting those who support the DP do not want any accountability in such a horrific case yet want to kill even if innocent very disturbing and telling ,. You can tell by the comments who wants to kill with out accountability and who is “pro”

http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/20...-in-texas.html
Criminal Liability for Judicial Murder in Texas
I’ve been meaning to write this piece for a while, either as a blog post or as the framework for a piece of speculative legal fiction. Cindy Henley’s and Jeff Gamso’s comments to my post about the Cameron Todd Willingham case prompted me to do it now, rather than later . . . .
If you think I have the law wrong and you can back it up with cites, let me know. But if you are a death penalty fan and wish to argue that the death penalty is morally justified, go do so elsewhere. This post is not about what Texas law should say, but about what it does say, which is:
A person commits murder if he intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual.
A person acts intentionally, or with intent, with respect to the nature of his conduct or to a result of his conduct when it is his conscious objective or desire to engage in the conduct or cause the result.
So when the executioner pulled the lever that started the flow of chemicals that killed Cameron Todd Willingham, he committed murder.
What about the guards that led Willingham to the death chamber? This is Texas’s law of parties:

If we have the DP all involved in securing a conviction should now be on their way to DR if we use the Pro logic with out the straw argument of They were following he law so were Nazis at concentration camps or slave owners and so on with laws that violated human rights. The “Just Following Orders “ BS will not fly with me . Just becuse it is the “law” does not make it right . One can change them or not follow a law such as this with out harming any one simply by refusing participate.

These are the reasons why I am Anti not out of love for any homicidal psychopath. . If we get it wrong we can't begin to fix it . I do not trust the state to do the right thing and the lack of accountability on the part of those who seek and hand out and take part in the securing DP and the actual executions when we get it wrong .

Then there are moral questions but that is an other debate .

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'The hardcore “Pros” also come across as maladjusted bloodthirsty ghouls and severely unstable individuals with psychiatric problems if not psychopaths themselves who just want to to kill'

Nonsense.

I ADMIT im a ghoul but want to kill?? Don't be ridiculous

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I do not think either side pro or anti want to kill. I believe the line is if one murders someone, should they loose their life too???.
I do not know of any pro people who want to kill, most I know personally are so disgusted by all the innocent life lost. From friends and family around me most are pro.
I am the only one who wants it to be limited due to many factors, of who should get the DP. I was totally anti, now with the world changing see it should be left in tact for the extremes, if no doubt on guilt.


I guess, I could be by some considered a ghoul too, a crime "in process" where the intent of the killer is to kill, and the tables turn the innocent survived, killer is dead instead, I like that myself.

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Peanut I do not think you area ghoul it is a normal human reaction But once you set aside emotional and wonder is the state wrong. Who in the US would not want to execute Bin Ladin but it just makes him a martyr and recruit more suicide killers and other don't care if they die "jihadisat" (jihad means struggle in Arabic no war ) to radical Islam. The word is intifahada yes closest pronunciation despite misspellings . .OH a Ex CON can learn A little Arabic Shocking !

The whole debate changes . How ironic the same “Pros” say they distrust government in everything else but trust it to take a life ? Or is is a vicarious or want o do kill and n would get off on it as in enjoy killing if they could kill . They need to be institutionalized or locked up in psych prison or s psych prison for life due to their on going homicidal fantasies / delusions or action. Yes I believe most Pros will kill if they could get away with it !and not land on DR or doing life !

. They distort the whole debate and are not really anti dp .,. As a EX CON cannot imagine LWOP is tit really worse than death.. It seems only if you do time will you know will it is worse. OK lets never get out even if they have a shot at parole lets be realistic . It does seem if the pros just want to kill if vicariously and cheer it. That is repulsive , That does not help but I encourage “pros” to keep it up please ! Your true colors are showing

OK Willingham was innocent . The most horrific result happened Us Antis have very horrific as in the most premeditated of all killings of a innocent man ! It is a tragic and sad win I do not cheer like groupies . I am deeply saddened and angered by it . Unlike groupies I have few words if any .All involve in securing any false conviction should face the DP how is that OK Pros wan t to face it .No thought so . You just want to kill even if vicariously by the state .

s Moderator edited OK hop on that gurney with a huge smile and not one complaint (You will love it as you call it justice juice . It should Be great to you . Just what ya all want ) as it is justice not revenge and if we get it wrong it is collateral damage not revenge right? ?

To me there is never 100% there will always be a doubt but at least LWOP and prison sentences we can mitigate the damage to a small degree. As in multi billion dollar compensation and LWOP for all who engaged in getting a false conviction including the jury or if we have a DP execution ! sounds fair to me . Lets see all the “pros” no if that was the law . Not one I know it .

(Moderator edited) You first on the gurney Innocent or guilty feel OK with that ?

Bottom line ya all just want to have executions and any one will do that is sick and repulsive

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Should add . Icannoit begin to comprehend or imagine laying on a the death gurney knowing I am totally innocent .I doubt any one can .

Also Yes I saw men be put in the "death coach" in chains . If any one thonks that does not still affect me think agaion even the most evil Ifelt some thing was wrong . That was not part of my sentence yet I lived it so dont even talk to me untill you see what i saw . A Family walk out and collpase they did not commit the crime .Yes I saw a man in chains innoicnet or guilty being driven to hisd eath .,

Should all convicts be subject to this inhumanity or maybe all pros would work on DR .Just my thoughts .

Few last long working DR some take their own lives( Is saw it to yep did wonders for me ) do to you not care for the bosses and rank? You claim to love them so much ?

To say I deserved that is sick repulsive and evil . You are worse than those you condemn !

I have to love with that all my life for what revenge ?


OK Now talk "big brave" pros ! Yeah real "men" who want to have the state kill for them !

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Peanut, i believe you wrote some sparks of truth. I wouldn´t presuppose that a "Pro" wants to "kill" only because he would recommend the DP for a guilty offender. I could bet one of the reason to prefer DP is the disgust for the crime of the offender (the way it was done). This would be comprehensible.
The society satisfies the need of the victims (relatives) for justice with the prosecution, with the will to do all to catch that individual which is responsible for the crime. It also happens without executions, otherwise would all LWOP convictions be senseless. When we as the society want to be better than the guilty offender, when we want to show that we have a much more higher respect for a human life, then we have to live with the hard consequence that we can´t do the same the killer has done before. It´s a very simple truth and no-one could allege us that we possibly kill innocent people, that we would be inhumanely.

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Thank you Andreas!

Unlike any one else , I saw many of those on TX DR . I was assigned to work on Polunsky DR I did not have choice . Too this day I carry very deep wounds and scars that will never heal . I was not sentenced to that Yes guilty . Yes I was me over charged and the cops( a extra legal street gangin that city and others ) and prosecutor hid and lied about exculpatory and favorable evidence that would have helped me . Maybe not acquitted but a much lesser sentence and probably not TDCJ time in what are the among the harshest units in TDCJ . That is not Justice but revenge career building on the backs of those who cannot afford to fight back a grave moral problem .

I know full well about TX "justice and how a Prosecutor Kelly Siegler AKA "Paladina Revenge Guaranteed Prosecutor for Hire tm" , will win at all cost . That is not justices but revenge and advancing in their care at all cost and anyone else be can go to hell . Along with violating the Constitution to get a conviction .Another topic . I am willing to go into .

Constitutional violations are not technicalities but violations of the law of the and prosecutors judges jury and all cops etc should get the DP if applicable in that state do LWOP in population for it . That would effectively end the DP and ,many false convictions . Defense attorneys defend the constiti0on not the guilty is that hard to understand ? 100 men guilty going free over one innocent incarcerated still is true . and I prefer it. The Constitution was set up this way . Because of what the British Empire was doing at the time . The very same thing those in the UK call human rights violations today !

I and many others who want justice reform despise and it's ilk we are not gruopies . We do not coddle criminals who truly deserve to be locked up and never let out or any one who has truly wronged and violated another but that begins a thread unto it self . If anyone believes speaks for all of us who want reform of our justice sytem and to rethink how we deal wioth crime they are very sadly mistaken . (Moderator edited)and if one has issues with them they really are not interested in justice or reforem but seekng revnege . GO take it up with Moderator edited or some who can deal with mod edited on a legal level . Hint That is a DOJ issue .


This is all about Moderator eidted and a few blogs or websites get over yourselves . Who really reads them or cares? . Go over to Mod edited and talk to them . Sadly they will ban you but that is mod eidted right . It is not good but it is their right . Please mod eidted is about 100 - 200 people psotjgtherest read or sign up and never psot again after reading it .

If you have a issue with TDS go take it up with them! OH wait they are lawyers and can make your life hell . Is that why all the hate filled incoherent damn near Pros want to kill filled tirades any where possible ?

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One Willingham is and was innocent . Nothing you can say will change that . Yes it hurts the PRO cause get over it yesin the long run it is going to have a huge too bad it was inevitable. It was Just a matter of time . More are to follow you guys lose so what that is life .

This really is ia about the following


Barak Obama won get over it . Stop the racist BS

Socialism, Fascism and Communism are incompatible political ideologies .

Teabagging is not a political activity Ha ha You still don't get that one LMAO

What was the Republican Party is now the lunatic fringe sorry
wingnuts and lunatics Rush, Beck, Palin Cheney ect made it that way .It will be out of poerfor many many decades the world has changed it is not 1950 .

Yes we will have universal health care in the us in less than a decade. Get over it .

The election was almost a year ago you lost andcannopt accept still ! Deal with it . stop the near year long childish tepetantrum becuseyou did not get your way .Thank Palin ! In fact I want Palin in 2012 for you guys to ensure you are even less of a voice and more impotent than ever before !

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Hay algunas muy mal de la cabeza ! Ellos que no son muchos muy ruidosa y extraña . Mod edited Pro DP son sólo una voz de unos pocos entre muchos. Sólo tienen problemas y no resuelven nada !

No not one profanity or attack in that .

You see convicts are not stupid I am multi lingual imagine that !

No matter how it is phrased in the end tghe DP is revenge and a number of very maladjusted psychopaths who have very severe problems .In reality they and the Groupies are one in the same . They are not pro or anti anything . Just very dangerously troubled individuals who should be locked in a place like Jester 4 or Skyview for life . .I use them because I am most familiar with TDCJ

Stop getting upset because MR Willingham was and is innocent . Nothing you say or do can change that !

If you think the DP and the state are infallible you hop on the gurney instead. No whining just do it you should because after all it is justice right . Inniocen and guilt don't matter just as long as some one dies to avenge a death .

What about the real not groupie families of the condemned I can only begin imagine what they go through I have an idea because I did time on Polunsky it is not pleasant . To know when and why a loved one is going to diesis torture beyond belief . Yes i saw families walk out of Polunsky after a last visit . You see in prison you cannot cry . It broke my heart even if the man was totally evil their family never asked for it . Ever think of it that way .

Yes now I do shed a tear not for the condemned but for all those families involved yes both families .I cannot imagine what they go through. no one can I know grief and I know killing will not ever heal it . Why i know grief is mine and mine alone . But Yes nothing can ever fully heal that empty space certainly not a execution .

Yes I have seen a man killed unlike any of you so shut up on that .



I am much more human than gruopies or pros will ever be . I did time thin on that ! There is more to this than one homicidal psychopath and one victim but many on all sides . Neither bloodthirsty ghoul pro or DR mod editedin specific ) groupie give a rats A$$ .They just want attention and what ever else comes with their perverse attachment to those on DR


If you do not want to be seen as a want to kill ghoul do not post like one any where . It is the internet don't worry be happy !

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