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Whatabout tyrants and dictators who order mass genocide,..? People like Hitler, Pol Pot,Pinochet ,Tito, don't they deserve the same fate as their victims

and the list goes on..

The worst genocides of the 20th Century

Do you think this man deserved to be released ?, do you think he deserved to be welcomed home, like a hero after he murdered 270 innocent people?.



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Whatabout tyrants and dictators who order mass genocide,..? People like Hitler, Pol Pot,Pinochet ,Tito, don't they deserve the same fate as their victims..
To be honest, the answer is simple: we grant more humanity as they did. We punish but we donīt kill.

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Do you think this man deserved to be released ?
It should have been a pure act of humanity to release him shortly before he will die. This is what i could agree with.
We know that the real background was different, that he was part of a deal. This is what i disagree with.

Skye, i discuss the same things with the same views as i do here. My ppīs believe they have the best possible law system on earth and they are surprised when i tell them what they would get here for the same offense. They wonder that a penal system can be more humanly as their own one.
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What you wrote is right, when and what we discuss here, it will not change the existing laws. But it doesnīt mean that your existing law would be perfect, exemplary or groundbreaking. Thatīs the other side of the coin. My personal feeling is that your country will follow for instance Russia (related to DP) in a not so far future.

Russia ????????????????????????????Past or present?

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Russia while the last decade. This is the time interval DP still exists there but is not any longer performed.
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You missed the part out where he was welcomed home as a hero and a martyr, was that acceptable,?.

He got to go home, the victims didn't
he gets to have a natural death, the victims didn't
he has time with his family, before he dies the victims didn't

All well and good saying we should turn the other cheek and be setting an example.

But don't Forget when you turn the other cheek you leave yourself open to attack.

If it was part of a deal, then whoever was involved should hang their heads in shame, but then again money means more than peoples lives, and true justice to some Goverments
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I understand your point of view and the anger of all people which saw him welcomed as a hero. It was foreseeable that the libyan government will make a big show for own purposes. Itīs annoying but in some months he will die and be out of the headlines. This is what i could live with.
What makes me angry is that he was part of a deal and the politician were hypocritical enough to deny the truth to the public. Itīs not a specific problem of Jack Straw or Gordon Brown, this happens around the globe. This is not honestly.
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I understand your point of view and the anger of all people which saw him welcomed as a hero. It was foreseeable that the libyan government will make a big show for own purposes. Itīs annoying but in some months he will die and be out of the headlines. This is what i could live with.
What makes me angry is that he was part of a deal and the politician were hypocritical enough to deny the truth to the public. Itīs not a specific problem of Jack Straw or Gordon Brown, this happens around the globe. This is not honestly.
I totally agree,IF it was part of a deal then we should have been told.Though i can be sure what would have been the publics reponse if it had of been made public.

I suspect that there are a lot of secret deals being done between goverments, corrupt regimes and "terrorists". That we will never know about, some of these deals are done to help victims, for example using deals (or bribes) to get innocent kidnap victims and hostages released, or to encourage organisations ( like the I.R.A) to lay down their weapons,As detestable as it may seem sometimes the only way to reach a settlement is to compromise, and 'make a deal with the devil.'

But arn't some deals just that too high a price to pay..?

I think this was one of those times
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