What if he were 4 months over 18 when he did this crime?

What do you say then?

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Number, i fully agree with you despite my opinion has no religious but rather an ethical background.

This is true and that´s why DP makes no real sense.


Again, i fully agree. This opinion doesn´t exclude punishment. That´s the difference.

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Bizarre one sec after midnight one is an adult, still he had no criminal past, from what I read. He admitted his guilt which is a big step right there. He is young so may be capable of doing good inside of prison for others with lesser offenses. Young can change and more adaptable to change. If he had been 18 already I still would not have gone with the DP on this one.


I suspect he had the begining signs of being psychotic a Bundy type in the making, if say he was not caught early. He did make himself as well as others on DR "as being victims" of the system. He was obviously either to inmature of maybe as I suspect a profile of an up and coming dangerous felon. That is what I see on reading his letter posted here, and reading the link I placed.

It certainly for me made no difference in his letter what he stated that was by some considered so great. His letter actually bothers me in many ways, he is missing a big connection or lacking. My thoughts

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He was already selling dope but had not been caught with any before he murdered. I think he was a sociopath.

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"I'm done with propagandists who are willing to use any issue - race, cost, deterrence - to spare murderers' lives. Their attempts to shame a country out of delivering justice are terrorism of the intellectual variety." Brian Hickey

"The right to bear arms is the right to be free."
A. E. Van Gogt
THe Weaponshop of Ishtar

I guess as individuals we will always have opinions based on our perception, while you see him as an "up and coming dangerous felon" i see him as a young man that came into an awareness; and from all i have read on him and comments shared from those that surrounded him his words reflected his actions.

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What is fact not perception, his awareness you believe in, came much to late for the couple he killed, not to mention the drugs he sold. This was pre meditated....

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In this case as I stated, I feel he should not have been given the DP, even if he was just over 18. He had no past offenses, though he did sell drugs also. He admitted he was guilty that was impressive to me atleast a huge plus. He was so young he could be evaluated and very possible benefit.

I have to say though going with the original thread title as well as some other topics when it comes to extreme crimes like the Sniper for an example, or like Gacy who killed over 33 human beings in a heinous way, and burial under his house.

I was total anti no gray areas, but things are progressing alright, crimes as a whole not just in the US, are getting more heinous so is the world as a whole. While at the same time, the antis to the max are trailing to have no such thing as LWOP that is too cruel too. Yet, to know both sides cannot blame all on the prisons, many get parole or release who murdered and do murder an innocent again, if not they murder another inmate inside or staff.

If we do away with the DP totally and say a murderer gets LWOP and murders an inmate or other inside should we just take the risk of this happening agian or cage him like a dog for years on end?????

For the extremes, hailing this type and placing the blame on courts never were just no matter what, prison system, parents on and on it goes is the killer becomes the champion of "victims" rights" is a mockery and truely a travesty of large proportions.

It is said leave emotions out when one does something so heinous murders to inncents, well the way the anti movement is going so over the line they are using every emotion toward the murderer who caused all these emotions to begin with, even to his or her own family to bear.

If compassion is progessive thinking it is being directed to the killer as the sniper??? A society unwilling to impose the DP for these extreme cirmes has deserted it responsibility to the value of human life as a whole.

Also the argument of how many on DR or executed, there is approx one execution per 2,137 murders commited.

Revenge seems to be against society and the victims if one thinks these guys can be kept safely inside or the theory" they could even be mentally able to ever be trusted with the right circumstances to not slaugter another again.

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Although he shot both Mr and Mrs Luttig at close range, only Mr Luttig died, which brought about his execution.

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G. W. Allport.

If you know what I mean? she died too smiley.

??? Only???

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Can i ask a question..?

for INNOCENT victims like these...

In German Concentration camps




and Japanese P.O.W camps



What other punishment for those premeditated murderers, apart from death would you have deemed suitable..?