Is it okay to ask what is the website's name for these groupies? I find it sick and facisinating at the same time. I was very afraid of that sort of stereotype before writing any prisoners, but now I know the difference.

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I wold prefer not to give that site any free advertising .

Peanut it is strange that few talk about the struggles women face in prison. Then they really could care less . It is as if thy do not matter. I have noticed that some of thease types will be the frsit to say a woman is scamming a man and evil blah blah and lie abut their conditions .

No the women in Gatesville have only won a number of lawsuits one involving sexual assault by male bosses. and then being forced to work in the brutally hot humid conditions Notice the groupies did not give a Rats Butt .! very telling and it does show what they really are all about . many of the women in prisn need help to stay out of those relationships and have healthy ones yes even with ex cons .

that Gatesville and eatern TX are famous for If the could no longer work they were put in a cage hosed down and given a major case . Some would lose control of their bodily functions . it was men who investigated and hid cameras .Then gave the recordings to the US DOJ .Which prosecuted and locked up a number of those involved . They are in the ADMAX because they all are marked so to speak by all other prisoners .

Peanut I bet ya love & look forward to those hot 100 degree humid days in ypur part of TX . I for one will be happy if never see one again !

. OH yeah the old family values . It is just another excuse to abuse some one . Using religion as reason for battering or raping is repulsive . It is no surprise that less and less people are identifying themselves with a organized religion

I wish more poole would become involved with helping these women some are guilty soem have taken so much abuse and the cops just told them to stop . if they bothered to show up in many southern states until the mid 90s!
In many states ,it id mandatory the abuser is removed. So are not charged but civilly held overnight and then brought to court to have RO hearing It becomes automatic and the won a cannot drop charges the state files even if she wishes to . Then if the case is investigated and then charges files thy try to do it so thy can put the SOB away for a while and not give them any wiggle room in court. sadly this I mostly legislation from them last 15 years or less in some places!

Writing to women doing time has caused me to look into this more closely and research legit materiels including law and acdemic journals .


I now help a young woman who has been fighting hercase . becuse I chooseto when asleda few years ago It was only because I had doen TDCJ tie I was asked interstingly .

It is very sad and tragic . We handle every social problem with prison now . That does not mean prison is not a good place for those who batter their spouse, partner child it is the perfect for them . The women need help not prison in many cases. To be driven to kill must be terrifying in itself

Thegruipes make this fight so much harder and hurt women everywhere .They have now escalated to a new and extremely dangerous level wher some one could get hurt or worse.

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Some of the hardcore advocacy groups seem less interested in womens death penalty cases. I have wondered why this is?
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ASE, oh yes" I so look forward to the 100 degree hot/humid weather here to begin.
All displaced yankees just love it, Right !!! This gal and Jon are snowbirds, this is nuts this time of year for us here. I cannot for the life of me, know how in the old days, the people in this place did w/o AC??????

ASE, until you brought her up, I never heard of Dr Brenda Andrew who is on DR in OK, if she is the one who killed her hubby for insurance
"money"(800,000) and a "lover" (sex), "drama" maybe the is the answer in an odd way of why so many women are ignored on DR by groupies.

I believe many of these female groupies, hang over the most violent on DR that have committed attrocities, flock to them for the same reasons as the above lady did to kill her hubby, "money",
"fame", and "sexual" turn on, even if sub consiously, and also love of "drama" is a big one for them..

These groupies sure would not experience all those by caring or flocking the females on DR would they?

So bottom line, guess it is not about the human compassion, friendship/letters, all deserve, it is about greed, selfishness, sexual, attention, and drama surrounds them. Or better known as DR Groupies!!!

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I will never miss those hot humid days . .Where I am now it rarely gets above 80 and is not humid.
From what history it did read . They did not do well at all believe it or not Malaria was common in parts of the southern US . People died from exhaustion all the time until we became more humane about how we treated each other .

There is not much about Brenda Andrew except in Law journals and maybe some Archived Oklahoma newspaper clippings Her case too involves religion if I recall she was a Sunday school teacher and librarian . She is described as quite ,reserved and deferential . her husband was deeply into fundamentalist Christianity of kind . In documents there is something about her dreading and loathing him . Supposedly there was insurance money though that is in question . There is not for sure much doubt about a lover though what he really was who knows .What made her look bad was she and her children a who went willingly fled to Mexico with the man involved .

I was curious if any one had ever made any contact with her .

There really is not a lot about her . She supposedly does not answer mail from people she does not know . She has never has a ad seeking pen pals either . Te whole case is strange . She has some valid appeal issues . The man involved also was sentenced to death . He supposedly planned the whole thing .

As for women in prison over all all of my friends will tell you that 90 % of the women have been severely abused in some manner . They do not be “misunderstood .” They will say they went about things in the wrong way and that help was almost non existent or not given when they tried to escape what ever demons they were fighting .Their troubles are different than men in prison in many ways. Interestingly Ii is a combination of men and women who try to help women doing time as best they can .

I agree these Death Row groupies are attracted to the drama I also question their moral compass . Saying anything but good things about the likes of Sean O Brien , Mark Schwab , Kenneth Mc Duff, Karl Chamberlain, Tony Roach and the long list of monsters is very wrong .To me this is a sign of a very troubled person possibly dangerous person to deliberately seek o ut the very worst monsters not some guy who really messed up Not every one on DR is a monster many are . Not all are guilty most are .

I also question any one who is related to convict on Death Row posting or reading about their family member on line and joining “non judgmental forums “ That is both arrogant and presumptuous .

Telling a person that they must have nothing but praise fro the most evil men in prisons is non judgmental? In reality it is . To say a person who do es not have anything but “love" for these human monsters is is PRO DR is unquestionably Judgmental.
I ma anti DP but do not think these monsters are some poor misunderstood guy .

It is true they do not care about women on DR or in prison . In fact I wonder if they really are anti DP ? The seem to enjoy te attention they get at the time of their “mans “ execution !

Why not put the effort into helping those who have a chance at a life outside of prison and those who are truly are innocent . ? All of this DR Groupie nonsense is making helping prisoners very difficult and now has risen to potentially if not probable violent levels in and out of prison .

John this is all probably why the women in prison do not get much attention or help

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If that were the case, I would not be able to write to my female pal on DR, and that would be a loss for me and her. I'm also a Pro-DP person.

Women are generally punished more harshly for the crimes they commit, buy most societies. They are vilified for being criminals and for being bad women - for not being the right kind of woman that society expects.

Many women on DR are there because of deals made with their co-defendents. Many would welcome retrials.

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Sadly, there are innocent people in the penal system, a good number of them are on death row.

I would not limit who can contact anyone based on their sentence.

I say that because My husband was once on death row and I learned a great deal about what they go through and if it wasn't for the letters and friendships they developed many would have committed suicide.

Letters , a glimpse into the free world, an escape from the darkness, can mean so much to a person, regardless of their sentence.

There are 'groupies' who treat offenders on death row , primarily the men, like they are the best thing in the world, they will do whatever they can to tell you their pals are innocent and glorify their existence. It almost becomes an obsession for some. In many High profile crimes, the victims are wrong for feeling the way they feel, and the inmate is put on a pedestal.

When/if that offender gets a reduction in sentence, they no longer matter. The novelty has worn off and no good bye is given, the inmate is then lost in the system.

I've seen it.

Groupies are not limited to one country, or one Continent. They come from all over.

They do tend to only support the male offenders.

Then there are people who just want to offer friendship, nothing more, nothing less. They don't brag and boast about who they are writing, or what they have done, or argue about their conviction. Those are simply people who care.

I agree with Sunray.

Women offenders are treated different as society expects women to act a certain way, and violence isn't expected of a woman.

Once a woman is locked up, they are only remembered for the most part anyways, on holidays and special days.

When I visited a Female PP once, visitation was completely dead. The max receiving a visit when I visited was 6 offenders.

When I visit Junior.... if you aren't waiting outside by 5:30 am your butt won't get to visit until noon!

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When a groupie profile women does brag/boast about who they are writing or what they have done, it just shines thru how terribly self centered and how it is really about them afterall.
Watching them place their own medal on, and telling how good a person they are too is a trip. Female nurturing gone amoke, toward the worse of the worse.

They also will never understand nor see, how repulsive and harmful they really are to the Anti DP cause for the same reason, so self absorbed in really themselves.

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I agree there is a different and unfair expectation of behavior from women in society . They do receive much harsher sentences then men for less severe crimes or the similar/ same offense category .

It is very true that many women are forgotten some are embarrassed to say so for a number of reasons . One being they ,might seen as playing for money and other things . I was told of a woman who would ask for help in making up family members in letters she wrote to a person . She got a ad through religious organization . She was embarrassed to say she had never received visit pout side of a attorney . I too have sat in a visiting room alone with friend yes A person with a felony can visit that place .

I wish more people would help these women . A few can only do so much and many are deserving of help .They do not want groupies and could do with put catching major cases so you might find a good friend and do some good even if it is just looking stuff up . You never know you might find something hat helps them win a appeal and possibly freedom !

It is also true when some one gets of DR either by commutation to a lesser sentence or exoneration those groupies have no use for them . I saw this first hand .

It is also true they come form all over though many are from Europe . I agree that we should at first not limit them from getting mail .Though once a they get groupies those groupies should be banned from all contacts ASAP .

These groupies have become increasingly aggressive combative and threating towards any one who does not think their “man “ is totally innocent and some nice thoughtful misunderstood guy who was set up by the cops and prosecutor and of all thing their victims survivors ! That is just sick and repulsive to see them trashing and taunting victims survivors .That is a total lack of a moral compass or compassion and a severely distributed person .Of course their DOC is out to get them and they are special great men who should be glorified ? Wrong they are on DR most for a what they did to get there . some are innocent some are not ,.That is a battle for those who can fight it, few can or are qualified to do so . The groupies and have been implicated in introducing cell phones into TX and probably other Death Rows .

This is never seen regarding women
If 1 /4 th the money and resources were given to women who need help a lot would be able to get on with tier lives get the help they need to move on and maybe have a decent life instead of dong tiem because of a abusive partner / spouse . These groupies make helping these women so much more difficult. Then they do not care .

It would be nice to see this thread continue not only on what the groupies do but on how to help the women who need it .


Peanut, I whole heartedly agree and concur !

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ASE I agree in principal with what you're saying, but in practice how on earth would anyone be able to draw up any kind of guidelines to "weed out" the groupies and not harm "legitimate" pals and family? You would have to have a solid definition of a "groupie", and while we all here know the types of person we mean, it would be hard to pin it down in writing without excluding a lot of other regular people. It could also harm female inmates more, because of the smaller pool of people willing to correspond with them in the first place.

Another reason why female inmates are shunned by the public is because many of their crimes are against either their own children or those of others. A woman who hurts children (generally in a non-sexual way) is seen as worse than a man who hurts children (either sexually or not), because women are supposed to be the carers. Yet when there is a legitimate reason, such as mental illness, the media and prosecutors do everything they can to deny it and demonise the woman. There is a real paradox at work there.

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