Gang activity is really strong on California streets, when one goes to prison and they are a known member.
They cannot knowing place him with another gang member of another gang. The prison is responsible for all inmates safety.
Then the public would scream you put them together to kill one another and they would. The solutions" do not begin in prison thats to late.Not to mention the safety of the staff.


The problem that is driving it is drugs, and the best of minds and battles and solutions are a big weight, a big issue like that cannot be solved here no way.

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peanut2 then with all due respect, I said that naming or blaming the problem is too prevalent here and we need to throw out ideas to solve the issue.

What is your idea to solve the issue? I said what I thought, put everyone together, ugly yes, blood yes, and end to it all yes imho.

I respect your opinions. I would like to respect your solutions.

First we have to deal what with what this riot is all about. Drug war.

Solution is not going to be done "inside prison" at this point as my post stated, and the reasons why not.

Solutions to the drug war we have all been there on this forum numerous times, example it starts at home, schools, communitys, education, rehab for those addicted, mental help in our society not prison.

As far as the drug war in Mexico/Amer border it has reached a dangerous level the last two yrs, many deaths and loss of life. The soluton to the drug problem that already exist, has been left go to long. I am not smart enough, obviously many who are trained to know how to deal with this monster now are strugging with itl.

As to prison at this time, sorry but all they can do is keep each inmate safe they have to, so mixing it now is not feasible at all inside. Cannot mix the two gangs that would take the national guard and military and talk about lost loved onesw would be nuts.
Not all prisons have this extreme gang problem, mostly it is the prison in the southern regions, reason not all prison have to seg by race.

As far as overcrowding that is for another thread, and that I believe is being addressed too in Calif.

Hope this makes sense in a hurry but, did want to reply to you first.

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Skye and Peanut are right this was not about being heard unless the message was two gangs wanted the state of CA to let them have control over contraband in Chino . Two groups control contraband gangs and bosses . Gangs distribute it Bosses bring it is in .

Until we admit the drug war is a failure just like the Prohibition was ,this type of behavior will continue . Making drugs illegal has not stopped anyone who really wants drugs from getting them . At one time those substance were legal. The biggest reason they were mad illegal was racism in the early part of the 20th century and in the late Nixon 60s to finding a way to suppress political dissent and arrest those who dissented as many used drugs of some sort .

Over crowing might have made this more likely . People with loved ones IN TDCJ complain alot about thefact that TDCJ tries not house them near their hometowns and tries not to house pople from the same neighborhoods together . Reducing the chances an incident like this is one reason why .

It is true the drug war on the South west boarder is a all out shooting war that will inevitably expand into the US and all of our major cities and metropolitan areas then beyond .

Despite it's fearsome reputation I felt safer ( a relative term) in general on Polunsky than Ellis ! Maybe because seg is more secure and if you are any type of STG you did your time in seg there or seg on another usualy newer . if you acted Up you went ot seg . The had lots of room unlike older units that had less . Seg On Polunskly is not fun .

Some did not act up just ot avoid seg m not the best of reasons not to act up but if it works.

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Personally from the education i have received on gangs from members themselves, having spent 20 plus years of their life spans actively involved and in various gangs, including my mate spending the last 8 plus years actively involved helping educate all, including young gang members inside prison (much to he distaste of some of his peers, believing he is interfering with prison evolution) I disagree gang riots are due to the drug situation only like i have said, many factors including over crowding and control are just part of the problems many face today.

The way that gangs recruit the young members on the streets and within the system today and of the past has little to do with the drug war, although it is part of gang culture, drugs were not part of the evolution of gangs, and still are not today, even in prison. Gangs were and are still about ethnic grouping including the protection a gang provides and the sense of belonging, inside and outside the walls.


Skye you say......."Coddling them is not supporting them it is only enabling them.
Sometimes you've got to remove the training wheels."

While i agree with you in principal, i do not believe education to be "coddling" anyone. Many of these gang member grow up surrounded by family, friends and associates that know nothing else but gang life and that means "activity". They are literally "born into" this world. Many live in neighborhoods where ALL on the blocks and those surrounding them are members, dealing to survive not holding down a "normal" 9am - 5pm job. So while we may recognize that as not the "norm" society accepts, this IS ACCEPTED in their world, where it is all upside down, where the values society has placed on the rest of us have little existence in their world, but that does not mean they do not need to bide by them, it just means they do not recognize or acknowledge them as THEIR values. This is by no means an excuse, it is REALITY for some. They have many family members incarcerated, and unless you break the cycle with education it will continue. The Government is so bent on building the prisons up they are forgetting to build the PEOPLE up, hence you WILL get the riots you see. All we will continue to see for future generations is more mothers burying their youth, and more schools closing like you have seen, while more prisons are being built. What we need is to HEAL the wound instead of putting band aids over trying to slow the blood loss, to no avail.

EDUCATION.......comes in many forms, what programs are actively run within the walls to really stop that revolving door and the riots you see? I know Washington State has taken out many of their programs these past few years, ones that were run by volunteers, but they have also built new prisons while closing schools.......go figure?

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Because drugs are illegal gangs sell them . Gangs are not about protection or any of those things. They revolve around making money primarily by selling drugs then other things such as weapons illegally . They use the weapons to battle over “turf”

If drugs were legalized and sold as alcohol and Tobacco are sold the gangs prime source of income would dry up their need for lots of weapons would no longer exist . Many would be have no choice to get a legit job . This would reduce crime . With out the “fast cash ' that selling drugs brings their lives certainly would not appear as “glamorous” . To them going to prison is both a part of life and a when you go to prison you are looked up to ? Something is wrong with that picture .

Ganges are a small portion of the prison population most are what is called Solos who just do their time and get out hope gull with an education and useful skills .

Most of those guys do not want an education are not receptive to any programs .They just want to do what ever they want .They are a part of the problems in prison . The are the ones going in and out of prison and apparently do not have a problem with that . . They have zero interest in changing any thing .They do not go to school any ways .

This is not all societies fault it might play a role but then they chose to become involved with a gang in or out of prison . Prison is not a condensed version of society .It is a unnatural environment that is very harsh .Going from prison to the freeworld is a stressful often overwhelming transition . The two are not close to comparable.

If it was a uprising against the System almost all the prisoners would have been involved . Not two rival gangs

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That is the essence and evolution of gangs, it is a well known fact that cannot be disputed from all documented evidence, past and present.

Sorry if i tend to disagree with you about the education side to life behind bars, while they are defiantly NOT the majority, their is still a portion of the prison population that seeks education in one form or another (even gang members), i know this because this is what i spend my time doing, assisting and helping. One friend is doing his PHD at the moment and teaching class as well as working in hospice care within the prison, another teaches class with help of the education department and receives little support from prison admin. I have spoken to many guys on the phone over the years at one time another wanting to say hello and thank me for helping, i have met with volunteers, so i know not all sit still happy with their lot in life when they have the opportunity for change, many jump at the chance. So many people from all walks of life are incarcerated, not just the "stereotypical" gang banger.

Speaking of California, if you speak to those behind bars they will say is the toughest state as far as abiding by "prison politics" because of the gang culture and how they run their system their. While other states do have their "prison politics" non others are enforced so tightly as California. You either play by the rules or you are kicked out of mainline into PC.

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California prisons have the highest number of gang members. Play by the rules or kicked out of mainline into PC.

Gangs have the same rules, play by the rules or you and your family are dead. Heck with the innocent if caught in the crossfire.

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Providing education is not coddling them, continual excuses for their actions is coddling them. The pattern yet continues. To each his own.

I've got a friend who knows all too well what this particular incident was about he is all too close to the action.

It has nothing to do with education at all. There are options , the offenders do not necessarily take those options.

You can remove the 'gang' member from the streets but you never really remove the 'gang' member from the 'gang'. Street gangs to prison gangs back to street gangs, the cycle is a revolving door. For anyone to break the cycle, they have to make the initial step on their own. Noone forces their hands.

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This is also true on the streets. They have a large amount of street gangs and some of the most violent. When arrested, they go where? Straight into CDC. The cycle does not stop.

It's all about the hustle for money be it on the inside or outside. This isn't any fault of the systems. It all begins at home and the core values they were raised with.

There are many of inmates who were validated at some point in their incarceration who make the change needed within to move on past this criminal behavior, just like their addicts who move past their addictions. Some people do not want to change, or see the need to change once it is too late. You can not force a person to change, it may work for the moment, but not for the long haul.

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