Was looking up someone from wisconson for a friend and ran across this story.I was like,aint that some BS !!!People are always talking about inmates and how bad they are, what about the officers? read this story adn lemme know whatcha think....Kristi http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/09/23/372850-firings-over-milwaukee-inmates-hanging

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What do i think?

From a personal point of view, am glad this guy died. I have seen first hand what the consequences of a hanging gone wrong can do to the person, and i would not want anyone to suffer like that for the rest of their days. What i think about the time frame is another story.

I watched a documentary not long back, and it was about 3 young men. Two white guys and one black guy. They were all locked in solitary, the white guys planned how they would kill the dark guy for nothing more than his skin colour.
This whole documentary was about the plan of attack, what lead all 3 to prison and the actual footage of the killing taking place.
Honestly i can tell you that has effected me greatly.
The CO's that were on duty watched from behind a glass console for 5 MINUTES. 5 MINUTES, (you just sit quietly for 5 minutes, it is a long time).all the while the dark guy was still in cuffs laying on the floor with one of the white guys in cuffs holding him down at the ankles, while the other was stabbing him repeatedly, over 64 times from memory, which you saw on the footage, stabbed to the face, neck and chest area BEFORE anyone would come and help.
Honestly i could not believe what i was watching. There was no one else around, meaning prisoners that guards would have to contend with, and one of the prisoners was still in cuffs. Why did they sit back and watch not helping this dark man? Why when they were lead in did they not start working on the man imidiately, laying there in his own pool of blood?
For the life of me, can you imagine 5 minutes passing before anyone even entered the room to give aid or assistance? I know others from this forum have seen the documentary and know what i am talking of.

To me there will never been any excuse to lead me to believe there was not another/better way this could of been handled.
This is just one story of many. Why do officers prevoke and even encourage fights? why do some officers seem more corrupt than those they guard and protect from society?

Why do some officers quit because they have become disillusioned with the system?
Why do some go out of their way to help the inmates. Treat them like they are people and just not a name or number. Like as in nature and in life, some poeple are just that way inclined.
It is a sad realisation for me.

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I saw the same documentary woth the stabbing and it was the most gruesome thing id ever seen.I couldnt believe that noone helped him either

Where did everyone see this? I have never even heard of somthing like this being shown... Did the gaurds get fired for it? Why did'nt someone stop this if they were planning it on film? This is unbelievable to me..

Certainly shocking to say the least.. totally disgusting more like.

I saw that doco and to be completely honest i wasnt paying full attention for the entire program, but i do recall that as the footage is showing the stabbing that alot of officers are milling around the doorway in readiness, i dont think you can judge them this harshly as we dont know what constraints they were acting under, there is protocol that they must follow, they dont make the rules either, you do realise that dont you? for very good reason it places their lives and the lives of others at risk, the guards arent to know to what extent this loss of control will eventuate to, opening that door will potentially allow them (the inmates) further access threw the building and to more people, even a ratio of one guard to one inmate wouldnt be enough to secure control, you need to see the bigger picture

Well squirell, my opinions are very judgemental and harsh towards those that stood and WATCHED and DID NOTHING.
I watched the documentary fully, and am sorry but this is one time i sit passing judgement.(which i know i should not do) I do not know what was going through the guards mind at the time, why they didn't try to stop the stabbings. Honestly i don't know about their protocol either. What i do know is that i sat there, like they did while this man died before my eyes.
Maybe i am not desensitised to the world around me like them, who knows?
I thought about the guards, even questioned why would they want to risk their life to save another. Especially after all they see, hear and go through. I did think about many things.
The thought of these 3 young guys who were not all saints by any stretch of the imagination saddens me greatly.
We are talking about 3 men here 2 already in cuffs. Isolated from anyone and everyone.
The guards did not go back into the room until after the guy lay their dead and not moving on the ground. The reasons he was not moving was every time the guy saw him move he would stab him some more. (He said that in the interview). The ones that did go in were like a tacticle response team all in full gear.
I am not talking about a full riot. I am talking about 3 isolated men, 2 still fully in hand cuffs.
They did not interview the guards in all fairness, so you never did get to see or hear their side to the story and as far as my knowledge no action was taken. The reason i believe this to be the case is the brother of the Dark man that was killed was also in the programme and was interviewed and he asked the same questions....."why did it take so long to respond and enter the room?"
Which he felt did not recieve any adequate responses. It was called i think.. Gladiator Days(?)

The guys name in question is Troy Kell, he got the Death Penalty for his actions that day in 2002.
Their is a book out about it ..Gladiator Days-Anatomy of a prison murder. I have not read it, nor do i want to but thought it worth mentioning.I also found this to give you another point of view.......


This is my first time, making anytype of posting on the Internet, so bear with me, if I am doing something incorrectly. Like millions of other Americans, I viewed the prison video tape of Troy Knell and his partner, killing the black inmate that was broadcast on HBO. However, I more than likely had a different view than many of you. Like Mr. Knell, I was raised in prison, and also killed a black inmate. It was in 1964, and I was 16 years old. I was sentanced to 10 to 25 years for armed robbery, and I was a graduate of my state's Youth Offenders Reformatory, which was no walk in the park itself. and little more than a prep school for state prison. The first day I walked into prison, I had my mind made up how I was going to build my own time, and if it meant killing or dying to stand up for myself, then so be it. Back in those days, there were inmate guards who were lifers, and they kept the animals in line, so to speak, in other words, you had nothing coming, and you could expect NO help from the prison staff. I was placed in the prison tailor shop, and to make a long story short, a black inmate who weighed about 250 lbs, insisted that I be his girl friend, so I stuck an 18 inch pair of pinking shears into his liver, and he was dead before they got him to the prison hospital. Back in those long ago days, a prison killing was no big thing in Ohio, and only carried a 1-5 year sentance. The point being, you can't judge prison killings with normal morals. It is a different world, with a different set of rules from life out on the streets. How many of you wake up every morning, knowing that you could very well die or be forced to kill another human being today? In our maximum security prisons, death and violence are an everyday occurance. Am I excusing Mr. Kell for his brutality? No, but, nor am I judging him, because I know the rules he was functioning under. In prison, when a situation deteriorates to violence, you do your very best to try and kill your opponet, or at least put the fear of God in him, otherwise he will come back, time after time, until one of you ends up dead. Those are the rules. You accept them and live under them, you have no choice. Unfortuntately, there is a strong racial undercurrent behind the walls. In this part of the US, 80%of all the prisons are black. and even though you are in the very same situation as the black inmates, you are still considered one of the enemy, since the cops are predominately white, as are the judges, and also the prison staff. The institution actally encourages this discourse between blacks and whites, since it is divide and conquer. Out in Mr Kells part of the US, both whites and blacks are in the minority, since Hispanics are the predominate ethinic group, and many Hispanics do not care for either blacks or whites. By the manner in which this black inmate was killed he more than likely had a reputation for taking care of his business, otherwise, they would have never went to such great lengths to make sure he would not be around to retaliate. I frankly do not believe in the death penality for any inmate on inmate killing. There are just to many varables, that most people have no conseption of. Kell had the misfortune of this brutal killing being in front of a video camera. Without the camera, it would have been just another prison killing, and most states look at it as being one less inmate that they have to deal with. HBO broadcasting the event sealed Kell's fate. No Govenor in his right mind would even consider comutting a sentance of a killing, witnessed by millions of TV viewers. Mr. Kell suggested that they also broadcast his death by firing squad. I agree, wholeheartedly! If the American public wants the death penalty, then we should put them all on prime time TV. They need to see, that it is not the pristein, painless thing that it is portrayed to be. We are executing more of our citizens than anyother country in the free world, and it is not slowing down killlings at all, let alone, stopping them. It is time that we try another approach. The US is in great company, still practicing capital punishment, Red China, Iraq, Iran, Saudia Arabia, Russia, the Congo, Korea, and about every outlaw nation that you can name. State sponsored executions should be an embarrasment to every American. All killing are wrong, no matter if it is the clerk at the corner store, or the guy who killed him. I lived with death and violence during much of my youth, but long ago came to the realization that it solves absolutely nothing. We are not only executing offenders at an alarming rate, but we have more individuals incarcerated than anyother country on earth, even South Africa during it's time of interment camps, and the Soviet Union during the heights of Communism, when you could be placed in a gulag in Serbia for even thinking the state was wrong. Our answer for social problems is to build more prisons to put enen more people in jail. I have a news flash for you guys, it is not working, our prison popluation has more than doubled in the last 16 years. We recently discovered that the FBI stats, showing that violent crime had dropped during the Bush Administrations tenure in the Whitehouse, was nothing more than number shuffling.

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"The ones that did go in were like a tacticle response team all in full gear."

I'm not excusing what happened im explaining it.

Rules procedure protocol its all there for good reason. As i said i watched that doco too, we are not to know who the staff were that were in sight or the role they play within the prison, there has to be a established protocol for these incidents, which perhaps state that a "tacticle" response and the only option as a physical assault with a weapon was taking place, it takes time to suit up, find the correctly trained people assemble them, facilities have budgets men just dont stand around suited up waiting they are collected from their jobs/positions and moved to the site of trouble

smiles at squirell..... I know i look at it and comment from an emotional side.

Have spent all day in training doing a First Aid Course today. So i do understand personal safety and how you need to assess a situation to make sure the safety of yourself and others should, and needs to be preserved above all.
I know i do not know these Officers, all i know is what i was shown, and that made my heart race and my stomach churn.

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bumping this as recently saw the above mentioned documentary plus all the cat fights about Troy Kell and curious as to who is writing him and what his situation is.

I was also shocked how long it took the guards to get in there and break it up, it appears as if they waited till the guy was finally dead before they tried to enter the room, with the excuse they were getting riot gear on etc, as if..........

I believe that the only reason he got the death penalty for this was that the actual killing was filmed as one hears of alot of stabbings and I have only heard of one guy in missouri that got the death penalty for inmate to inmate killing but that was eventually reversed and he was released.

What TK did was horrific but horrific because we all saw it. Put ourself in his situation or any other who is serving hard time, wouldn't we resort to violence if living in a violent situation 24/7. It was overkill though, he set out to do the job and he did it well.

My opinion and no sympathy at all and I won't be rushing off to write to him either lol