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Now if we legalize drugs they lost control and money too...then their just thugs.
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Most of these topics are based around the US , such as this one.

I am curious, how is Australia handling it's gang problem?


East Timorese martial arts gangs pose risk to Australia: report - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


LiveLeak.com - Biker Gangs Bash Each Other Inside Australia's Biggest Airport


Bikie push to recruit street gangs | The Daily Telegraph



While this one article is 4 years old, it clearly indicates that this behavior has nothing to do with survival.


"That no-worries image went up in a blaze of hate last week when an
angry crowd of 5,000 Anglo Australians staged vicious mob attacks on
dark-skinned beachgoers and on people they believed to be Muslims. "


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/19/AR2005121901801.html


So... I am curious, what approach are you all taking on the gang issues you have and is it working?


I'm not talking about approaches written in essays or journals or ideas from professors either, I am talking about the here and now and what the authorities are doing to control the issues.


What is the community doing wrong that you have people joining gangs and attacking innocent people on the beach? Are these people trying to survive and a part of that survival is attacking the innocent?


I wonder what other countries are doing to combat their own gang problems, and is it working? What is being done to deter it to begin with?
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Now if we legalize drugs they lost control and money too...then their just thugs.

EXACTLY!
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This is a universal problem and it is going to take a lot of work to break these gangs apart.

There are parts in Colombia where authorities have no control because of the cartels.

They didn't join the cartels to survive either, they joined to have the power and money that comes along with it.

The country has tried endlessly to combat this problem, even going as far as reaching out to the US for help in convicting and housing high ranking officials that they apprehend.

There comes a time when you have to look at the actual problem and combat it. Coddling only enables.

While there may be adequate reasons one may join a gang, I feel the communities and even the prisons have to set a standard that this behavior and chaos can not and will not continue. Then focus on the why's and how's.

This is deadly behavior in our prisons and it is not a thing for survival. It is masqueraded as such, but at the end of the day it is to merely continue the criminal acts they were doing while they were in the free world.
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We will have to agree to disagree then

I know what I've seen, what I've witnessed and the choices that are out here in the free world.

Joining a gang is not for survival, plain and simple.
For an 11 year old it is, and if it's all you know then until you are shown or guided into something other than this life then it is all you know.

If there are so many choices out there then why are there 170,000 inmates in CA alone??? Hmmmm, interesting.
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Most of these topics are based around the US , such as this one.

I am curious, how is Australia handling it's gang problem?


East Timorese martial arts gangs pose risk to Australia: report - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


LiveLeak.com - Biker Gangs Bash Each Other Inside Australia's Biggest Airport




Bikie push to recruit street gangs | The Daily Telegraph



While this one article is 4 years old, it clearly indicates that this behavior has nothing to do with survival.


"That no-worries image went up in a blaze of hate last week when an
angry crowd of 5,000 Anglo Australians staged vicious mob attacks on
dark-skinned beachgoers and on people they believed to be Muslims. "


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/19/AR2005121901801.html


So... I am curious, what approach are you all taking on the gang issues you have and is it working?


I'm not talking about approaches written in essays or journals or ideas from professors either, I am talking about the here and now and what the authorities are doing to control the issues.


What is the community doing wrong that you have people joining gangs and attacking innocent people on the beach? Are these people trying to survive and a part of that survival is attacking the innocent?


I wonder what other countries are doing to combat their own gang problems, and is it working? What is being done to deter it to begin with?

No-one said Australian was the garden of eden, we have our problems and these 'so called gangs' they are just that wannabees they are groups of punk kids trying to imitate American hip hop gang culture, thats what it is.

These so called riots you mentioned were cell phone organised by BOTH ethnic groups, in a time when your ex president was spouting his rubbish propoganda, and as with many countires it lead to the demonising of Muslim people. Thankgoodness we now have a new government who have taken many steps to undo the damage our previous 'Bush Kissing' government had on race relations in this country.

What are we doing about gangs and gang violence, well we dont lock people up and trhow away the key for mistakes they made in theri youth and thats a huge start.
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For an 11 year old it is, and if it's all you know then until you are shown or guided into something other than this life then it is all you know.

If there are so many choices out there then why are there 170,000 inmates in CA alone??? Hmmmm, interesting.

Perhaps you should do your homework,

The majority of those offenders in CA prisons were incarcerated as adults, and yes, they had a choice.
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There comes a time when you have to look at the actual problem and combat it. Coddling only enables.


Hmm I guess the tough on crime approach in the USA is working then, not coddling anyone at all thats why there are over 2 million people in US prisons.

Take at look at places like Denmark, their low crime rate comes from many factors but it's funny that it's country where it is almost unheard of to receive a life sentence. I guess their coddling is working after all, this tough on crime act isnt fooling anyone espcailly when Ca has cut education and health to poor children because they need to feed their thirst for more prisons to house all these nasty gangsters.
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I said canned not banned, meaning criticised....

We don't 'can' someone because they have an opposing view. We can agree to disagree and move on.
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