Certainly they are punished but, will not face the DP or LWOP normally.

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Interesting speech back in July from David Burrowes MP,

I won't bore you with all of it but i think this gets the message over .


David Burrowes MP
"Over the last year I have been in contact with David Hines and the National Victims Association on many occasions. I have also met with other charities and individuals who have either been affected by homicide or serious crime or who work with those who have. The people like you that I meet the more inspired I am by you courage and fortitude and sadly the more aware I have become of the current lack of provision for support and assistance to those like you who have suffered the most traumatic of losses. It has been through these meetings that I have been able to formulate our plans for supporting victims of the most serious and violent crimes. My basis premise is that at the very least when it comes to victims of crime, support must be given to families of homicide victims. Whilst we should avoid a hierarchy of rights for victims, the state has a particular responsibility when crimes of homicide take place.


The Conservative Party | News | Speeches | David Burrowes: Speech to National Victims Association

Indeed
But as UKGAL pointed out, it's what could happen when they are allowed out in to society for " shopping trips,or days out at theme parks" because someone thinks they are trustworthy enough.

I do not agree with leaving them to go on shopping trips out in society just thinking they are trust worthy enough, she murdered someone and had only spent 3yrs inside. If she was trustworthy enough why do the articles state when she fleed, she is dangerous? What the heck, she was allowed to go shopping outside??????

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I guess when we share news issues as these, all countries need to rethink the flaws we all have for change.

This is too far the other direction to me.
Fury as immigrant baby killer is paid £4,500 'bribe' to quit Britain | Mail On

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That was me asking you properly. Of course, you don't have to answer if you choose not to.


As I said previously, I've read enough UK news to know that the examples given by UKGAL are a common occurance. I've had friends inside prison in the UK too over the years, so I am not unfamiliar with the way they are run.

The HM Prison Service has a duty of care to protect the public from the offenders under it's responsibilty. It does not have a duty of care to provide Victim Support Services. The Goverment as a whole may do, but not one specific part of it. Perhaps you should take the situation up with the Home Office?

This would suggest that your assumption is not entirely correct: Grits for Breakfast link The availability of the punishment does not have a direct effect on the level of crime, particularly murder.

Finally, you give the example of walking down the street and seeing someone you thought was locked up for harming either yourself or a close friend or family member. Yup, I have experienced that. I'm sure it is something we will also have to deal with when my Husband is released.

This might not make me popular, but some people seem determined to hang on to their victim status for a very long time after the event. It seems to consume them. You only have to watch Coronation Street at the moment to see that. And I can say that as a victim as well as someone married to an offender.

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Coronation Street isn really real its a TV programme lol, anyway saying that i cant see any responsable parent liking the fact, her daughters kidnaper back living in the same street. I would hope in real life it would never be allowed to happen.

anyway i just came to show this link it proves. well to me it does anyway, it proves that even when offenders have been assessed and are supposedly being monitored, it can still go wrong, in just 4 years 847 have gone missing while on these days trips out. never mind the offenders rights. in some respects they lost their rights when commiting an offence, the publics safety should be priority!
they should be locked up and stay locked up.

Double killer's strolls in the city (From Oxford Mail)

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Forgive me, the Coronation Street ref was tongue in cheek. Still, if the offender had served his entire sentence, he could live wherever he chose, even right next door to his victim if he wanted to, unless the victim then was granted an exclusion order against the offender. I think it is interesting though that the character of Rosie has chosen to move on with her life (she was the victim, not her mother) yet the character of her mother is the one prolonging the agony for all involved.

Compare it with Eastenders at the moment (sorry non-UK folks, I know you don't get these shows) where Lucas is being villified for informing on Owen's breaking of his parole conditions.

Sometimes, doing the "right" thing is not within the law. Sometimes doing the wrong thing is. That is why in the UK we rely heavily on case law and not the emotions of a jury or the victims to influence the punishment phase of sentencing.

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Prisons in the UK are a big joke,, and I know alot of British are angry over this. Its the government thats liberal. Child killers dont get life in prison and when they're released, they get new identities for protection. It is really ridiculous. And being taken to the shops escorted? Unreal. That isn't punishment. THings need to change over there.

A lot of UK Prisons are run by private security firms, and the staff are rude and untrained in man-management the whole UK prison system and sentencing system needs a vast shake up

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